Re: No static, democratic (was: essentials of a gadri system)

la xod cusku di'e

> > I think you and I agree. We just have different ideas about
> > which of the two situations is more basic/frequent.
> 
> Is this my western culture bias? I find it hard to consider constituent
> individuals as less basic than the groups they can form at times.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that it is more common, when 
talking about a group, to talk about properties that the group has 
as a whole than about properties that all the members share. It is
more basic because it is logically simpler: in one case you are talking 
about a single instance of the relationship, in the other case about as 
many instances of the relationship as there are members.

> > Hopefully we both agree that {le pa broda} and {lei pa broda} are
> > equivalent ways of refering to an individual, given that a single
> > individual taken "one at a time" is equivalent to a single individual
> > taken "together".
> 
> Except I think the latter form is at best unhelpful and misleading (Grice.
> Grice.), 

But both are Griceanly inadequate to the same extent, in that one insists 
about emergence and the other insists about distributivity when neither
concept applies.

> and at worst an interesting koan like zi'o crino -- given that I
> think loi'a should be used to draw the reader's attention to emergent
> properties, and no properties emerge from a collective with only one
> member.

And no property is distributable among one member either.

mu'o mi'e xorxes



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