Re: The two lo'es (was: essentials of a gadri system)

--- John Cowan <[email protected]> wrote:
> Jorge Llamb��)B�as scripsit:
> 
> > Right. It's just that CLL-lo'e was being touted as "Mister", which it
> > is not. 
> 
> Never by me or other Lojban Old Farts. For us, "loi" is "Mister", and
> has been since Loglan days. In JCB's original example, whenever a monkey
> falls out of a tree, Mr. Monkey falls out of a tree (and out of Mr. Tree,
> presumably, though JCB didn't say so). But I now concede, grudgingly,
> that this is an undesirable conflation.

Quite.

It was Xod who had asked:

> But is there a divergence between Jorge's lo'e (which means kind, unique,
> and Mister) and the CLL's lo'e (which means "typical", understood
> precisely as the arithmetical mode: the most common type)?

To which you replied:

> Rather, CLL lo'e is about *characteristic* properties. It is 
> characteristic of lions to live in Africa, to have short intestines, 
> and to eat antelope.

I would say, using Kind-lo'e:

ka'u lo'e cinfo na'o xabju le friko gi'e citka lo'e antilope

which is condensed with CLL-lo'e to:

lo'e cinfo cu xabju le friko gi'e citka lo'e antilope

In other words, we could say: CLL-lo'e = ka'u + Kind-lo'e + na'o

mu'o mi'e xorxes


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