Re: Dr. Rosta's comments on my gadri whitepaper

"And Rosta" <[email protected]> Fri, 15 Aug 2003 21:02:21 +0100
Newsgroups gmane.science.linguistics.lojban.jboske
Organization Livagian Consulate
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xod:
> And Rosta writes:
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> * Nonspecific is more general than Any. (Further discussion on jboske
> if required.)
> * Given that XS handles Collective & Substance, a messy conflation in
> loi/lei is not so disastrous. Or they could be disambiguated as lViza'u
> versus lVitu'o, analogously to the XS approach and using what was
> originally your suggestion.
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> Your ideas of Nonspecific and Any will only get lost in the shuffle here
> -- as they probably already have, since you've probably expressed them
> several times yet -- so it would be best if you added a definitional
> section to your XS page. Then we can use jboske to attempt to reconcile
> our conflicting but finally well-documented definitions.

Nonspecific is a linguistics term, not part of XS. If you're using it with
a definition of your own, better to choose a different term. "Somebody" is
nonspecific in "I'm sure somebody loves me" = "I'm sure that it's not the
case that nobody loves me" = "I'm sure there is somebody that loves me".
But it's not Any.

> Your XS ignores Collectives, treating them as identical to pluralities.

If you are defining a Collective as a plurality such that "lV-collective
cu broda" necessarily means that the members of the group aren't each
a broda, then XS does ignore this, but it's not what Collective normally
means and it's not something I feel it is important to be able to express.
If this isn't what you mean by Collective, then XS may well handle it.
Otherwise, it would be desirable for you to choose a different term
instead of 'Collective' and argue for the need for a way of expressing it.

--And.