Re: Space necessity
"Jorge Llambías" <[email protected]> Sat, 11 Nov 2006 23:08:54 -0300
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--lN972tPcaM234Sv80lbK2cKXOMV9gzlRgfcm6lF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 11/11/06, Hugh O'Byrne <[email protected]> wrote: > > First, have I made any technical errors above? It seems to be all correct. > Are there any rules against spaceless Lojban text? Not that I know of. > Are there any technical objections? The main one is that it makes it harder for humans to parse. > Does it generate any inconsistency, or other technically undesirable eff= ects? It is inconsistent with the (unofficial) use of capital letters to stand for lerfu, i.e. A =3D abu, B =3D by, C =3D cy, etc, similar to 1 =3D pa, 2 =3D re, 3 = =3D ci etc., and also % =3D ce'i and other such representations, but that can be fixed b= y using =E1, =E9, =ED, =F3, =FA to mark stress. From an Occam's razor point of view, using a single character (the space) to mark stress is also nicer than using five different characters (or worse= , twenty-six, for those who like to capitalize the entire syllable). > Some of the technical points going *for* it are: > Improved isomorphism between spoken and written Lojban Barely. > More consistent usage of the "stress *here*" feature of written Lojban Except the human brain does not parse written text letter by letter, so tha= t could be argued to be less consistent with the actual working of the brain. mu'o mi'e xorxes --lN972tPcaM234Sv80lbK2cKXOMV9gzlRgfcm6lF Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/htm= l4/strict.dtd"> <html> <head> </head> <!-- Network content --> <body style=3D"background-color: #ffffff;"> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStartT|**|-~--> <div id=3D"ygrp-mlmsg" style=3D"width:655px; position:relative;"> <div id=3D"ygrp-msg" style=3D"width: 490px; padding: 0 15px 0 0; float:le= ft; z-index:1;"> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEndT|**|-~--> <div id=3D"ygrp-text"> <p>On 11/11/06, Hugh O'Byrne <<a href=3D"mailto:hobyrne%40gm= ail.com">hobyrne@gmail.<wbr>com</a>> wrote:<br> ><br> > First, have I made any technical errors above?<br> <br> It seems to be all correct.<br> <br> > Are there any rules against spaceless Lojban text?<br> <br> Not that I know of.<br> <br> > Are there any technical objections?<br> <br> The main one is that it makes it harder for humans to parse.<br> <br> > Does it generate any inconsistency, or other technically undesirable = effects?<br> <br> It is inconsistent with the (unofficial) use of capital letters to<br> stand for lerfu,<br> i.e. A =3D abu, B =3D by, C =3D cy, etc, similar to 1 =3D pa, 2 =3D re, 3 = =3D ci etc.,<br> and also % =3D ce'i and other such representations, but that can be fixed b= y<br> using =E1, =E9, =ED, =F3, =FA to mark stress.<br> <br> From an Occam's razor point of view, using a single character (the space)<b= r> to mark stress is also nicer than using five different characters (or worse= ,<br> twenty-six, for those who like to capitalize the entire syllable).<br> <br> > Some of the technical points going *for* it are:<br> > Improved isomorphism between spoken and written Lojban<br> <br> Barely.<br> <br> > More consistent usage of the "stress *here*" feature of writ= ten Lojban<br> <br> Except the human brain does not parse written text letter by letter, so tha= t<br> could be argued to be less consistent with the actual working of the brain.= <br> <br> mu'o mi'e xorxes<br> </p> </div>=20=20 <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStart|**|-~--> <span width=3D"1" style=3D"color: white;">__._,_.___</span> <!-- Start the section with Message In topic --> <div id=3D"ygrp-actbar"> <span class=3D"left"> <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jboske/message/3198;_ylc= =3DX3oDMTM0cW9ocjlnBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM4NjQ2NDYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1NzM5= MjA2BG1zZ0lkAzMxOTkEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMTYzMjk4NDYzBHRwY0lkAzM= xOTg-"> Messages in this topic </a> (<span class=3D"bld">2</sp= an>) </span> <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jboske/post;_ylc=3DX3oDMTJ= wcG4zMWYxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM4NjQ2NDYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1NzM5MjA2BG1zZ0= lkAzMxOTkEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMTYzMjk4NDYz?act=3Dreply&messageN= um=3D3199"> <span class=3D"bld"> Reply </span> (via web post) </a> |=20 <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jboske/post;_ylc=3DX3oDMTJ= ldWczZ2I0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM4NjQ2NDYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1NzM5MjA2BHNlYw= NmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc3RpbWUDMTE2MzI5ODQ2Mw--" class=3D"bld"> Start a new topic </a> </div>=20 <!------- Start Nav Bar ------> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <div id=3D"ygrp-vitnav"> <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jboske/messages;_y= lc=3DX3oDMTJlYWoyM2RvBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM4NjQ2NDYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1Nz= M5MjA2BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA21zZ3MEc3RpbWUDMTE2MzI5ODQ2Mw--">Messages</a>=20=20 | <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jboske/files;_ylc= =3DX3oDMTJmY2V0NzNjBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM4NjQ2NDYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1NzM5= MjA2BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2ZpbGVzBHN0aW1lAzExNjMyOTg0NjM-">Files</a>=20=20 | <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jboske/photos;_yl= c=3DX3oDMTJldGJoazNtBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM4NjQ2NDYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1NzM= 5MjA2BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Bob3QEc3RpbWUDMTE2MzI5ODQ2Mw--">Photos</a>=20=20 | <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jboske/links;_ylc= =3DX3oDMTJmMzhrMzE2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM4NjQ2NDYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1NzM5= MjA2BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2xpbmtzBHN0aW1lAzExNjMyOTg0NjM-">Links</a>=20=20 | <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jboske/database;_= ylc=3DX3oDMTJjdGNmdTQ5BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM4NjQ2NDYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1N= zM5MjA2BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2RiBHN0aW1lAzExNjMyOTg0NjM-">Database</a>=20=20 | <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jboske/polls;_ylc= =3DX3oDMTJmaWQ4cTV2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM4NjQ2NDYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1NzM5= MjA2BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3BvbGxzBHN0aW1lAzExNjMyOTg0NjM-">Polls</a>=20=20 | <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jboske/members;_y= lc=3DX3oDMTJlc2llcDhrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM4NjQ2NDYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1Nz= M5MjA2BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA21icnMEc3RpbWUDMTE2MzI5ODQ2Mw--">Members</a>=20=20 | <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jboske/calendar;_= ylc=3DX3oDMTJkZ29vc2dsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM4NjQ2NDYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1N= zM5MjA2BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2NhbARzdGltZQMxMTYzMjk4NDYz">Calendar</a>=20=20 </div>=20=20 <!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| --> <!-- Do not have place to put it yet --> <div id=3D"ygrp-grft"> </div> <!-- yahoo logo --> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <div id=3D"ygrp-ft"> <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=3DX3oDMTJkYm5tNzFpBF9TAzk3Mz= U5NzE0BGdycElkAzM4NjQ2NDYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1NzM5MjA2BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzd= GltZQMxMTYzMjk4NDYz"> <img src=3D"http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/yg/img/logo/ma_grp_16= 0.gif" height=3D"15" width=3D"106" border=3D"0" alt=3D"Yahoo! 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