Re: Re: LoCCan3 development ideas.
And Rosta <[email protected]> Sun, 26 Aug 2012 17:18:08 +0100
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--14dae93407f703710004c82d8e43 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Aug 8, 2012 9:00 AM, "gleki.arxokuna" <gleki.arxokuna-/[email protected]> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], And Rosta <and.rosta@...> wrote: > > > > I think you should start by setting out the project's aims. Here are some incompatible aims that have come up in previous discussion: > > > > 1. Create a loglang that is the best possible according to our current state of knowledge. > > > > 2. Create a loglang that satisfies the key requirement of unambiguously encoding explicit logical forms in a way that is no less concise than the corresponding natlang or Lojban sentences (which are not unambiguous and explicit). > > > > 3. Design a loglang by means of incremental revisions from Lojban, preserving some sort of backwards compatibility. > > > > I have the impression that your aim is (3). Others, such as Stevo, favour (1). I favour (2), and because of that I think we don't yet know enough to create a successful loglang, tho that doesn't block work on some areas of the grammar, such as the phonology (-- not such an interesting or important matter for loglangs) or the 'predicaticon' (i.e. the lexicon but leaving the morphophonological aspect of lexical entries blank). > > > > I'm still interested in discussing (1), tho. I don't see the point of (3), but I guess I'm still interested is discussing the rationale for it. > > Let's say that by publishing something on (3) I closed that topic. > So let's discuss (1). Any ideas? > Just a pre-draft would be fine. In case it's not obvious, let me point out that discussion of (1) is now happening on the Engelang list, thanks to your impetus and initiative. --And. --14dae93407f703710004c82d8e43 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <head> <style type="text/css"> <!-- /* start of attachment style */ .ygrp-photo-title{ clear: both; font-size: smaller; height: 15px; overflow: hidden; text-align: center; width: 75px; } div.ygrp-photo{ background-position: center; background-repeat: no-repeat; background-color: white; border: 1px solid black; height: 62px; width: 62px; } div.photo-title a, div.photo-title a:active, div.photo-title a:hover, div.photo-title a:visited { text-decoration: none; } div.attach-table div.attach-row { clear: both; } div.attach-table div.attach-row div { float: left; /* margin: 2px;*/ } p { clear: both; padding: 15px 0 3px 0; overflow: hidden; } div.ygrp-file { width: 30px; valign: middle; } div.attach-table div.attach-row div div a { text-decoration: none; } div.attach-table div.attach-row div div span { font-weight: normal; } div.ygrp-file-title { font-weight: bold; } /* end of attachment style */ --> </style> </head> <html> <head> <style type="text/css"> <!-- #ygrp-mkp { border: 1px solid #d8d8d8; font-family: Arial; margin: 10px 0; padding: 0 10px; } #ygrp-mkp hr { border: 1px solid #d8d8d8; } #ygrp-mkp #hd { color: #628c2a; font-size: 85%; font-weight: 700; line-height: 122%; margin: 10px 0; } #ygrp-mkp #ads { margin-bottom: 10px; } #ygrp-mkp .ad { padding: 0 0; } #ygrp-mkp .ad p { margin: 0; } #ygrp-mkp .ad a { color: #0000ff; text-decoration: none; } --> </style> </head> <body> <p><br> On Aug 8, 2012 9:00 AM, "gleki.arxokuna" <<a href="mailto:gleki.arxokuna-/[email protected]">gleki.arxokuna-/[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br> ><br> ><br> ><br> > --- In <a href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>, And Rosta <and.rosta@...> wrote:<br> > ><br> > > I think you should start by setting out the project's aims. Here are some incompatible aims that have come up in previous discussion:<br> > ><br> > > 1. Create a loglang that is the best possible according to our current state of knowledge.<br> > ><br> > > 2. Create a loglang that satisfies the key requirement of unambiguously encoding explicit logical forms in a way that is no less concise than the corresponding natlang or Lojban sentences (which are not unambiguous and explicit).<br> > ><br> > > 3. Design a loglang by means of incremental revisions from Lojban, preserving some sort of backwards compatibility.<br> > ><br> > > I have the impression that your aim is (3). Others, such as Stevo, favour (1). I favour (2), and because of that I think we don't yet know enough to create a successful loglang, tho that doesn't block work on some areas of the grammar, such as the phonology (-- not such an interesting or important matter for loglangs) or the 'predicaticon' (i.e. the lexicon but leaving the morphophonological aspect of lexical entries blank).<br> > ><br> > > I'm still interested in discussing (1), tho. I don't see the point of (3), but I guess I'm still interested is discussing the rationale for it.<br> ><br> > Let's say that by publishing something on (3) I closed that topic.<br> > So let's discuss (1). Any ideas?<br> > Just a pre-draft would be fine.</p> <p>In case it's not obvious, let me point out that discussion of (1) is now happening on the Engelang list, thanks to your impetus and initiative.</p> <p>--And.</p> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <br> <br> <!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| --> <div width="1" style="color: white; clear: both;"/>__._,_.___</div> <!-- Start Recommendations --> <!-- End Recommendations --> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <img src="http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97476590/grpId=3864646/grpspId=1705739206/msgId=3273/stime=1345997890" width="1" height="1"> <br> <!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| --> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <br> <div style="font-family: verdana; font-size: 77%; border-top: 1px solid #666; padding: 5px 0;" > Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional <br> <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jboske/join;_ylc=X3oDMTJmb2k0OGRhBF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzM4NjQ2NDYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1NzM5MjA2BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3N0bmdzBHN0aW1lAzEzNDU5OTc4OTA-">Change settings via the Web</a> (Yahoo! 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