Re: [ru] Educational systems: "success in learning Russian"

I guess if they are native SPEAKERS, it is about learning spelling,
grammar, punctuation, style and correct word and phrase usage on the level
above RSL/RFL  or as RSL / RFL with local aboriginal people in the same
class.

С уважением
Григорий Зак

чт, 2 апр. 2020, 19:00 Susan Welsh [email protected] [ruslantra] <
[email protected]>:

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> Greetings to all!
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> I am editing an article written in English by a Russian native speaker,
> titled "Cognitive predictors of success in learning Russian in native
> speakers of high school age in different educational systems." The systems
> are those in Russia, Moldova, and Kyrgzstan. I have no Russian text, but an
> article by some of the same authors is titled "Когнитивные основы
> успешности обучения русскому языку: кросскультурное исследование."
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> This idea of "success in learning Russian" is giving me headaches, since native
> speakers already know how to speak their own language. I have tentatively
> changed it to "improved Russian-language proficiency," adding "improved"
> since it cannot be just a matter of “proficiency” (some children will be
> more proficient than others even in first grade, but we want to measure
> their *learning* in high school). I think the idea must address how much
> their proficiency improves as a result of their education. The measurements
> used are just their 11th grade Unified State Exam results and the grade
> given by their "teacher in Russian."
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> So here's my question: does an 11th grader in these countries take a class
> and get a grade in "Russian"? In the anglophone systems I'm familiar with,
> the student gets a grade in "English," but we would not say they were
> successful or unsuccessful at "learning English." The English class in 11th
> or 12th grade would be about reading literature and writing essays. Grammar
> would be taught at a much lower level. Is it any different in Russia?
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> Thanks,
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> Susan
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