Re: [ru] Accusative v Genitive

Hi, Rachel,

What you outlined agrees with my recollection as well - i.e., “the form of the genitive” though nevertheless the accusative.

I think in the case of negation, it is the implicit effect of the negation, i.e., to not do a thing is in effect not to carry the action out on that thing, but since the action is negated it it cannot affect the named object - a genitive sort of in the sense of a partitive, rather than a possessive.

If that makes any sense?

Elliott





> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:51 PM, 'Rachel Douglas' cmgusa-/1bC63wxbnDD0D/[email protected] [ruslantra] <[email protected]> wrote:
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> Hmm. I always understood it like this: that in Russian masculine animate nouns, the accusative has the form of the genitive. That is, it’s still an accusative by function, but this particular class of nouns takes a different form. Whereas with objects of negative verbs, the direct object goes into the genitive. Whether I was taught that, or internalized it that way on my own, I can’t tell you. I do know that I came to learning Russian with already a strong sense of noun cases, not so much because of he/him and such things in English, but from having studied Latin early on (age 10). Not that Latin substitutes the genitive form for the accusative, but it does have verbs that may demand that their objects be in the genitive in some contexts.
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> http://dcc.dickinson.edu/grammar/latin/genitive-verbs <http://dcc.dickinson.edu/grammar/latin/genitive-verbs>
> Wish I had studied Greek and Sanskrit!
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> Subject: [ru] Accusative v Genitive
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> Мне, как учителю русского для иностранцев (very occasional teacher), кажется что она правильно исправила, хотя формально это может считаться и винительным падежом, но одушевленные склоняются по правилам родительного падежа в таких случаях вне зависимости от числа.
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> Северные народы едят оленей (оленя)
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> Северные народы едят огурцы (огурец)
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> Ирина Х.
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