Re: (no subject)

Can't we all just get along?


On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 10:25 AM, John Jackson <[email protected]>wrote:

> Answering Nathan Awrich:
>
> My blog reply:   http://bit.ly/HwaYsr
>
>
>
> No-one on this list has shown that they understand the concept of the
> possibility of Wikipedia actually doing anything wrong, nor of the concept
> of responding to outside comments in any way other than spin.  If  someone
> pointed out an obvious bad rust attack on your car, you'd never consider
> any response other than painting over it.
>
>
>
> And again, EVEN WHEN I'VE POINTED OUT THE PROBLEM, you STILL don't see
> it.  ...Even
> though it would be obvious beforehand to any civilised person that no
> worthwhile organisation could treat criticisms from outside as always
> irrelevant.
>
>
>
> Didn't someone hail "democracy" as an asset of Wikipedia?  That would be
> democracy of those INSIDE it then; outsiders don't count  and aren't worth
> listening to - ever... whoever they are.
>
>
>
> Awrich: attempting to grab the world's knowledge, then endorsing the
> complete removal of obviously correct contributions made by a genuine and
> qualified scientific researcher because of one or two Wiki-fiddlers
> qualified with nothing but pretty stars, is a stupidly destructive act.
>  When
> Putin does something that bad he looks cynically around to show people how
> little he cares... but you don't seem even to notice you've done it.
>
>
>
> And when a genuine misdemeanour is pointed out, IT'S THE CULPRIT WHO IS IN
> THE WRONG NOT THE WHISTLEBLOWER.  Keep making that mistake with me and
> you'll end up even more sore.
>
>
> Wikipedia is using the clumsy culture, morals and intellect of a
> kindergarten gang to degrade the world's knowledge and shackle its
> growth.  Watching
> this is like watching the Nazis march into Paris, or the barbarians burning
> the library at Alexandria.  We've learned that the response to such actions
> is not regret but attack.  If you ever learn anything, you're going to
> learn to respect integrity and intellectuality.
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 3:45 AM, JP Béland <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > ...or not about.
> >
> > JP
> >
> >
> > 2013/10/28 Akhil Mulgaonker <[email protected]>
> >
> > > Pr is supposed to educate the world what wikipedia is all about.
> > >
> > > On Monday, October 28, 2013, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hoi,
> > > >
> > > > The best response to complaints and criticism is for the people that
> > > > complain and criticise to be invited to be part of the solution.
> > SOFIXIT
> > > is
> > > > the mantra that brought us a lot of good. YES, I find it important
> that
> > > > people are aware of the things that are dear to me. I blog about them
> > > and I
> > > > do not only blog about them. I do what I can to make a difference. I
> > edit
> > > > in Wikidata on subjects that are relevant and do not get the
> attention
> > > they
> > > > deserve. I do invite people to work on fixes for templates that need
> > > fixing
> > > > in a Wikipedia and I do showcase why the Occitan Wikipedia is at the
> > > > forefront of getting our information out.
> > > >
> > > > PR is important and makes a difference, people need to see that work
> is
> > > > done. People need to see that things progress. And really JJ you can
> > > make a
> > > > difference too when you know so well what work needs to be done. When
> > you
> > > > think there is nothing that you can do, I am sure we can find
> something
> > > for
> > > > you that makes a difference in the things you care for. First thing
> is
> > > for
> > > > you to know what you care for and how much you want to involve
> > yourself.
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >     GerardM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 28 October 2013 16:43, John Jackson <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The best response to complaints and criticism is PR is it?
> > > > >
> > > > > How about correcting the faults people have gone to the trouble of
> > > > > identifying for you, instead of trying to disguise them?
> > > > >
> > > > > JJ
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 6:01 PM, Gerard Meijssen
> > > > > <[email protected]>wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hoi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I mentioned three things ... When you are interested in if the
> > > > Wikipedia
> > > > > > gets mentioned in the news.. look at the BBC again and look at
> what
> > > it
> > > > > has
> > > > > > to say. http://www.bbc.co.uk/search/news/?q=wikipedia I am not
> > > > > > complaining.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I even go a step further, I mention the things that I think are
> > > > positive
> > > > > > regularly on my blog. If anything there is so much that people
> can
> > do
> > > > > that
> > > > > > will have a positive impact. At that I tend to move away from
> > > negative
> > > > > > encounters. Typically they are not worth it.
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > >       GerardM
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 25 October 2013 18:51, JP Béland <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > This is about Wikipedia Zero in particular, but what has been
> > done
> > > by
> > > > > > WMF's
> > > > > > > PR section about Wikipedia in general and its image with the
> > > general
> > > > > > > public?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Amqui
> > > > > > >  On Oct 25, 2013 10:36 AM, "Gerard Meijssen" <
> > > > > [email protected]>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hoi,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This is what the BBC has to say ... today...
> > > > > > > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24662267
> > > > > > > > Gerard
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 25 October 2013 18:04, JP Béland <[email protected]>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > What about PR? What have been done in this regard?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Amqui
> > > > > > > > >  On Oct 25, 2013 8:44 AM, "Gerard Meijssen" <
> > > > > > [email protected]
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hoi,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Sadly there are some naysayers .... there are also people
> > who
> > > > see
> > > > > > > > things
> > > > > > > > > > improve.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Notable improvements happen here:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >    - visual editor
> > > > > > > > > >    - wikipedia zero
> > > > > > > > > >    - wikidata
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > In my opinion they have the potential to change our way
> of
> > > work
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > our
> > > > > > > > > > reach.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > >       GerardM
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On 25 October 2013 16:32, Akhil Mulgaonker <
> > > > [email protected]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > This is a message to all Wikipedia and Wikimedia
> > > corporation
> > > > > > > > personnel,
> > > > > > > > > > > Wikipedia is declining. We need to do something to
> > > rejuvenate
> > > > > our
> > > > > > > > > > project.
> > > > > > > > > > > We need to remember our goal, to create a library of
> all
> > > > human
> > > > > > > > > knowledge
> > > > > > > > > > > and progress. Peoples view of the pr
> > >
> > >
> > >
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