Re: Conspiracies and Islam

>On 2 Nov 2012, at 17:58, hibbsa <[email protected]> wrote:

>>On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Ismail Atalay <i_c_atalay-/[email protected]> wrote:


>>
>> Actually there is conspiracy. But this is not an "Islamic" conspiracy.



>The other way it might have gone is by developing into an interesting
>discussion about what we mean by 'conspiracy' when in context of
>something that cannnot happen. I mean...you Ismail...suggest there
>cannot be a conspiracy? 


No. IMO there can be and there are conspiracies in our world. Actually it is an inevitable part of negative human behavior/nature. Conspiracies are ongoing in different scales (personal, family, small groups, companies, clans etc) and in different spheres (political, academic, economical etc)


>What do you mean there cannot be? 


I have said there can not be "Islamic" conspiracy. First from puritannical and theoretical PoV, if something is a "conspiracy", it is by definition should comprise anti-islamic elements such as lie, manipulation and deceit. How you can claim that something is "islamic" by doing the opposite of Islam tells you to do.

Secondly conspiracies in this world are mostly related with capturing power and wealth. Unfortunately this is a strong motivator for humans. Islam is against capturing power or wealth so it does not provide you the motivation needed for most of the humans.


>What about,if among the sub-groups of Muslims who are more highly organized, more
>mobilized, more hostile to Western values, they are looking at
>demographic and other trends, and simply saying "things are going our
>way, we don't have to do anything but wait because time is on our
>side".

>If the motivation behind that is hostile, is about conspiring to
>change the West, dominate the West, undermine the West....but it so
>happens the strategic judgement is that nothing has to be done because
>things are moving in such a way that power is transfering into that
>camp, what is it about that that isn't no different to a conspiracy
>save that it so happens the best strategy is not to conspire at the
>moment?

There are such groups among muslims. But they are small, distributed and would be unable to unite. If there is hostility, hate,  lack of transparency and injustice, these groups eventually start to fight each other (in different ways) and could not grow. They can not attract mainstream muslims since everybody knows that this is not the way Islam promotes.


Having said that, this does not mean that we should be relaxed about radicals and fanatics. Staying vigilant against these guys is essential for (true) muslims and is highly recommended for everyone on the planet. Special precautions about acutely problematic ME region is also required.


Ismail