Re: Multiverse Morality

On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Ismail Atalay <i_c_atalay-/[email protected]>wrote:

> **
>
>
>
>
> >On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 0:44 PM, Gary Oberbrunner wrote:
>
> >>On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 6:32 PM, Ismail Atalay <i_c_atalay-/[email protected]
> >wrote:
>
> >> do not think anyone has such prospect if MWI is correct. There is no
> room
> >> for subjectivity or genuine choice in MWI. AFAIC, according to MWI, we
> >> humans are very complex entities who are pushed to fool ourselves as if
> we
> >> have a real influence or choice but essentially the universes are
> splitting
> >> according to objective equations during these processes and thus we do
> not
> >> make any real choice.
> >> Ismail Atalay
> >
>
> >Just to be clear, this point of view above is not specific to the MWI. It
> >applies to any deterministic non-dualistic physics, such as a Newtonian
> >block universe (no splitting, but no "real choice" either), or the
> >Copenhagen interpretation of QM. You would need some kind of non-physical
> >mind or soul in order to have it not be according to objective equations.
> >Which of course raises all the standard mind/body dualism questions, which
> > I won't repeat here.
> There could be subjectivity without dualistic physics. Personally I think
> dualistic physics or any conception of non-physical existence does not make
> sense and is not supported by (actually goes against) modern scientific
> evidence.
> Having said  that how could we be sure that the whole physics is solely
> explained and governed by deterministic and objective equations? Maybe
> there is a subjective aspect of monistic physical reality that eludes us
> because we can not access to it or our current scientific knowledge is not
> enough for any access to thus aspect. Maybe this is the reason why we are
> in great trouble in understanding, analyzing or modeling the subjective
> nature of consciousness or the qualia phenomenon.
> By subjective aspect of physical reality, I am referring to some concept
> along the lines of panpsychism.
> Ismail Atalay

Top-down causation might provide a basis for free choice within a single
world.
http://arxiv.org/abs/1212.2275
Richard