Re: Variations in the MWI multiverse

Gary Oberbrunner <[email protected]> Thu, 6 Mar 2014 06:12:04 -0500
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On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 1:08 AM, Lee Corbin <[email protected]> wrote:

> Consider the set, across the multiverse according to MWI, of solar systems
> essentially similar to ours. This set is much vaster (or, perhaps, we
> should
> say, has greater measure or frequency) than the GIU (Group of Identical
> Universes) exactly identical to ours.
>

Of course.  One is a strict subset of the other.  And the multiverse is
very, very, very big.  So far I don't think you're saying anything
controversial.

Any _given_ similar-but-not-identical configuration may be vastly less
probable than ours (say, all the same as ours but that it includes a giant
space duck) but there are so many variations -- even trivial ones like
slight differences in decay times of a particular atom -- that they must
quickly overwhelm the identical ones.

You can really make the same argument for cup of coffee I think.

-- 
Gary

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Consider the set, across the multiverse according to MWI, of solar systems =
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=A0One is a strict subset of the other. =A0And the multiverse is very, very=
, very big. =A0So far I don&#39;t think you&#39;re saying anything controve=
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<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Any _given_=
 similar-but-not-identical configuration may be vastly less probable than o=
urs (say, all the same as ours but that it includes a giant space duck) but=
 there are so many variations -- even trivial ones like slight differences =
in decay times of a particular atom -- that they must quickly overwhelm the=
 identical ones.</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">You can rea=
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