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<p>---In [email protected], <david.deutsch@...>=
wrote :<br>
<br>
>On 14 Feb 2015, at 14:12, hibbsa@... mailto:hibbsa@... [Fabric-of-Reali=
ty] <[email protected] mailto:Fabric-of-Reality@yahoogro=
ups.com> wrote: <br>
<br>
<br>
> Posting here because Deutsch's 1991 contribution to the Grandfath=
er Paradox matter (he shifted the paradox to one between relativity and QM)=
has been modelled apparently confirming many attributes of Deutsch's i=
dea. <br>
<br>
<br>
>That experiment by Ralph and Ringbauer is nice but I don't think i=
t does (or could possibly have done) anything to distinguish between the va=
rious approaches to quantum mechanics near closed timeline lines. Their res=
ults are just determined by how they set up the 'simulation'. But I=
now strongly suspect that the approach in that 1991 paper was wrong or def=
icient. It was the right approach within the Schr=C3=B6dinger Picture, but =
I have since come to realise that the Schr=C3=B6dinger Picture badly misrep=
resents information flow (and the issues of 'time travel' are large=
ly about information flow). The Heisenberg Picture is needed. <br>
<br>
<br>
>A while ago Alan Forrester and I tried hard to re-cast the same analys=
is in terms of the Heisenberg Picture. Normally (in the absence of closed t=
imeline lines) the two pictures are inter-translatable and their difference=
s in regard to information flow are just a matter of the HP providing a ver=
y straightforward representation of information flow and the SP being very =
opaque. But in the presence of CTCs the two Pictures are physically differe=
nt and there is no unique HP. In fact Alan and I were unable to find *any* =
self-consistent HP in the presence of CTCs. <br>
<br>
<br>
>Currently my guess is that there *is* a self-consistent HP and that it=
will give the same answer as the SP. But alternatively it could be that qu=
antum theory is simply inconsistent with relativity in the presence of CTCs=
. In which case existing physical theory won't be able to answer whethe=
r time travel is possible until progress is made with quantum gravity. <br>
<br>
<br>
> Below is the article, within that there is a link to the abstract. &g=
t; http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/time-travel-simulation-resolve=
s-grandfather-paradox/ http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/time-trave=
l-simulation-resolves-grandfather-paradox/ <br>
<br>
<br>
-- David Deutsch<br>
<br>
There's a lot here that hints at you've managed to get yourself ont=
o an approach on something hard. If so that's a pretty amazing...becaus=
e it just is each and every time. Doesn't happen a lot. Never happens f=
or the majority of people. Good luck. Wish I could say more, but unfortunat=
ely this context is not one I've ever really tried to be in. For that r=
eason I just don't have the knowledge. <br>
<br>
But good stuff by the soft signals. It's always gotta mean something wh=
en someone pushes away what could feasibly have been used to differently to=
more advantage (i.e. they were talking about you and saying they'd mo=
delled something you'd said as the centre piece of a project, and then =
saying they had confirmed what you had been saying. it's only easy to p=
ush that away when that vigour, that intrepid truth seeking is blistering o=
ut all over the place Good luck goddamnit!</p>
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text-decoration: none;
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font-weight: normal;
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color: #628c2a;
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width: 72px;
}
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height: 62px;
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width: 62px;
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color: #666666;
font-size: 10px;
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text-align: center;
white-space: nowrap;
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margin: 4px;
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font-size: inherit;
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padding-bottom: 10px;
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font-family: Verdana;
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color: #1E66AE;
font-weight: 700;
}
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color: #ff7900;
font-weight: 700;
}
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margin-bottom: 20px;
padding: 0px;
}
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font-size: 130%;
text-decoration: none;
}
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font-size: 77%;
list-style-type: square;
padding: 6px 0;
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margin: 0;
padding: 0 0 0 8px;
}
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font-family: Georgia;
}
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margin: 0 0 1em 0;
}
#ygrp-text tt {
font-size: 120%;
}
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border-right: none !important;=20
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