Re: [Skate] The Uni-Koeln awards 2016

The scandal is that a competition for specialists is used for a non-specialist (allround) competition.
On the 1500m both Kjeld Nuis and Thomas Krol had good chances to a podium ranking in the general classification.

This leaves room for three allrounders.
This problem could have been solved by allowing one more entry or holding a second 1500m (just like they did with the 1000m).
One way they encourage specialist, and on the other way they want allrounders to start in a specialist competition.
It is just like the 10 competitors rule in the Olympics.
If KNSB had decided to allow Jorrit or Sven to skate a 10k than there would have been difficulties with Thomas Krol who had a fair claim.

Gerrit


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to me the explanation of the choices is more interesting then the choices themselves :)

to me disadvantage v is not quite relevant since it doesnt remove a 10 k from the previuos calendar :)

i would also say that it's good that only the middle distances of the allround combination are skated in the qualification competition. if the full program was skated, then it would kinda be a championship before the championship.

to me the real scandal about the actual qualification system is that some countries don't try to qualify he maximum skaters by making some of them skate the 2 distances required, focusing on the single distances world cup .

Canada had only 2 male sprinters skating the required 2 races to qualify for the world sprint championships. and also we qualified 3 ladies and 2 men for the allround championships but sent only one of each gender, apparently for budget reasons :(

for the best junior I would gladly nominate fellow canadian Ben Donnelly or korean Min-Seok Kik,for being close second as a B2 junior. I do not personnaly follow junior world cups but i would pick the world junior champion over the junior world cup best skater :) especially when all the juniors dont skate the junior world cups.

JF

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> Le 26 mars 2016 à 05:34, Lars Finsen [email protected] [Speed_skating] <[email protected]> a écrit :
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>> 25. mar. 2016 kl. 22.02 skreiv jflemonde-/[email protected] [Speed_skating] <[email protected]>:
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>> who else considers the qualification system for the world championships a scandal? i consider it much better then the previous one.
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> I partially agree, in that I consider it somewhat better than the previous one. It has some advantages: a) It is part of a popular event that is considered a real event in the places where it has been arranged (only in Norway so far). (Obviously it does not have this advantage over the European Championship.) b) All continents have equal chances of qualifying, there being no quotas carried over from last season. c) There is more than one way to qualify, so that if you miss one, you can catch up with another. d) The procedure is interesting for nerds like me. e) There are other competitions going on at the same time, to give non-nerds a chance for being entertained, too. f) It is new and therefore exciting. And then there are some disadvantages. i) Participants from other continents have a long way to travel, but this is alleviated by the event being part of the World Cup, which they will travel to anyway. ii) The procedure is complicated. iii) People who are qualified already have no interest in participating. iv) It is part of a regular World Cup event, which will take attention away from the qualifying event and will make it difficult for some nations to enter sufficient numbers of candidates due to the distance quotas. v) Only two of the allround distances are involved, removing at least one of the chances to skate a 10000 m during the season (at least for the men). vi) It is new and therefore a breach of tradition.
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> To me the advantages outweigh the disadvantages somewhat.
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>> also what are the stories behind marcel bosker, stephanie beckert and the czech team as the best team??
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> Bosker had the best results in the junior World Cup as far as I can see. Please nominate another candidate if you have one. The same applies to the Czech team, it’s only my suggestion. But I think the way they perform against all odds, progressing as a team, is impressive.
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