RE: [Skate] 1000m Openers vs Final laps (how do you win them?)

Wennemars approach

1.07.33

ERBEN

WENNEMARS

( 1)

NED

Salt Lake City

20030112

1

16,38

24,84

41,22

26,11

67,33

WC

1.07.42

Erben Wennemars

( 2)

NED

Salt Lake City

20071110

5

16,50

24,99

41,49

25,93

67,42

WC

1.07.46

Erben Wennemars

( 3)

NED

Salt Lake City

20050123

1

16,35

24,89

41,24

26,22

67,46

WchS

1.07.57

Erben Wennemars

( 4)

NED

Salt Lake City

20070310

4

16,66

24,84

41,50

26,07

67,57

WSD

1.07.63

Erben Wennemars

( 5)

NED

Salt Lake City

20031212

1

16,46

25,17

41,63

26,00

67,63

WC

1.07.78

Erben Wennemars

( 6)

NED

Calgary

20031206

1

16,53

25,07

41,60

26,18

67,78

WC

1.07.87

Erben Wennemars

( 7)

NED

Salt Lake City

20071111

9

16,71

24,86

41,57

26,30

67,87

WC

1.07.88

Erben Wennemars

( 8)

NED

Salt Lake City

20011202

2

16,37

24,85

41,22

26,66

67,88

WC

1.07.93

Erben Wennemars

( 9)

NED

Calgary

20031207

1

16,47

25,03

41,50

26,43

67,93

WC

1.07.95

Erben Wennemars

( 10)

NED

Salt Lake City

20020216

5

16,20

( 7)

25,02

41,22

26,73

67,95

OG

1.07.98

Erben Wennemars

( 11)

NED

Calgary

20030119

2

16,33

24,93

41,26

26,72

67,98

WchS



Davis approach

1.06.42

SHANI

DAVIS

( 1)

USA

Salt Lake City

20090307

1

16,67

24,51

( 8)

41,18

25,24

( 2)

66,42

WC Final

1.06.67

Shani Davis

( 2)

USA

Salt Lake City

20091213

1

16,85

24,50

( 6)

41,35

25,32

( 4)

66,67

WC

1.06.88

Shani Davis

( 3)

USA

Salt Lake City

20131116

1

16,96

24,62

41,58

25,30

( 3)

66,88

WC

1.06.91

Shani Davis

( 4)

USA

Calgary

20091206

1

16,71

24,61

41,32

25,59

( 13)

66,91

WC

1.07.03

Shani Davis

( 5)

USA

Salt Lake City

20051120

1

16,78

24,77

41,55

25,48

( 9)

67,03

WC

1.07.04

Shani Davis

( 6)

USA

Salt Lake City

20071111

2

16,99

24,57

( 13)

41,56

25,48

( 9)

67,04

WC

1.07.11

Shani Davis

( 7)

USA

Calgary

20120129

2

17,02

24,70

41,72

25,39

( 7)

67,11

WchS

1.07.16

Shani Davis

( 8)

USA

Calgary

20080315

1









67,16

Olympic Oval Invitational

1.07.18

Shani Davis

( 9)

USA

Salt Lake City

20071110

2

17,02

24,71

41,73

25,45

( 8)

67,18

WC

1.07.20

Shani Davis

( 10)

USA

Salt Lake City

20120121

1

16,78

24,71

41,49

25,71

67,20

WC

1.07.25

Shani Davis

( 11)

USA

Calgary

20120128

1

16,80

24,72

41,52

25,73

67,25

WchS



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Onderwerp: RE: [Skate] 1000m Openers vs Final laps (how do you win them?)


No, I am arguing that even a 17,00 can bring you to a good result. You win your 1000m with an average opener, a decent first and a fast last lap.

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Onderwerp: Re: [Skate] 1000m Openers vs Final laps (how do you win them?)



Hi Dirk, great analysis, but i would still say that Kjeld Nuis lost in in both openings, 16.6 is too slow even with his good last lap.

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Subject: [Skate] 1000m Openers vs Final laps (how do you win them?)


Erben Wennemars will probably hate me for this, but the 1000m is NOT won/the world record is not bested by opening faster than Kjeld Nuis presently does. Erben would like to see everybody skate like he Always did, but a 1000m is relatively seldom won by a fast opener.
Who then is the number one jack-rabbit of 1000m? It is

  1.  still good-old Jeremy Wotherspoon, who once opened in 16,16 to finish in 1.07,31 and
  2.  Kyu-Hyuk Lee who opened just as fast, only to finish in 1.07,51
The present #3 is Michael Ireland, who opened in 16,17 to finish in 1.07,99
Kyu-Hyuk Lee also has two 1.07,07 results, one out of a 16,18 and one out of a 16,19. These are the five fastest openers of all time, none under the 1.07,00. There have undoubtly been even faster openers on the 1000m, only to finish with a time above 1.08.00, but they are not in my spreadsheet of 150 fastest 1000m results.
Well then, is the 600m passage important? Again not for the final result. Jeremy Wotherspoon has the fastest four 600m results,
a 40,52 -after that 16,16!- ending in 1.07,31;
a 40,56, ending in 1.07,03; a 40,62, ending in a 1.07,34 and
a 40,67, ending in a 1.07,57
Only the 5th ever 600m passage made it under the 1.07.00: Pavel Kulizhnikov’s 40,73 -after a 16,22 opener- brought him to 1.06,70.
The first full round is much more important to the final result, but not a perfect predictor either.
Jeremy Wotherspoon again is the best here:
a 24,32, ending in a 1.07,34;
a 24,36, ending in a 1.07,31 and
a 24,37, ending in a 1.07,03 (the same of the 40.56 600m passage and including a top-5 16,19 opener)
a 24,38, ending in a 1.07,57
Only the 5th ever first full round brought the first sub-1.07,00: Vincent DeHaitre’s 24,48 (after a 16,73 opener, ending in 1.06.72)
Is it the last lap then? Again, not a perfect predictor(but the best we have). The man with the most devastating final 1000m lap is the American ‘sprinter’ Brian Hansen. Okay, you did not expect that, did you?
Brian Hansen managed a final lap in 25,23, finishing in 1.07.03 after an opener that would Erben shout “TOO SLOW” in the studio (16,80), followed by a 25,00 lap, resulting in a totally unimpressive -to Erben- 41,80 and then that astounding 25,23. I would cry “TOO LATE” in the studio.
The 2nd fastest final lap on the 1000m comes from the man you’d expect: Shani Davis. His worldrecord 1.06.42 was made witha final lap of 25,24 and he both opened faster than Brian Hansen (16,67) and had a faster first lap (24,51) but at 600m he had not yet anything to show (41,18)
The 3rd fastest final lap is also from Shani Davis. His 1.06.88 was skated with a final lap of 25,30 after an opener of 16,96 and a first lap of 24,62 resulting in an unremarkable 600m of 41,58. The final lap did it here too.
The 4th fastest final lap is again from Shani Davis. His 1.06,67 was done after a meagre 16,85 opener and included the 6th fastest first lap in 24,50 (600m an unremarkable 41,35) followed by an impressive 25,32
The 5th fastest final lap is from another American ‘sprinter’: Trevor Marsicano. He opened -to Erben’s tears- in 17,00 and let that be followed by a reasonable 24,55 (10th ever first lap) giving 41,55 but his final 25,33 really did the trick: 1.06,88
The 6th best final lap is by Kjeld Nuis, who opened in 16,63, had a first lap of 24,50 (also 6th ever) and a final lap of 25,38.
In order to improve, Kjeld needs to skate only a little bit faster laps
16,63 – 24,45 (41,08) - 25,30 (1.06,38)
and if he combines it with the opener of his 2nd best result
16,35 – 24,50 (40,85) – 25,50 (1.06,35)
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