Re: ecovillage and sustainability

Maximizing beneficial connections amongst the humans is certainly
permaculture but can we actually 'design' community? in recognition of the
fact that living systems SELF-organize?


>Sooner or later, it all comes down to human relatings.

Could you elaborate a little, as I know this is a theme of the workshop
you facilitate, and I suspect much is being left unsaid...

Curious,
Chris Mare
-VDI






<[email protected]> writes:
>Aloha Chris 'n all,
>
>> I'm glad to see this 'theoretical ekistics' type discussion get some
>> airtime
>
>I'm not talkin' theoretical, I'm talkin' what do you do when your
>neighbor in
>your EV (or your suburban neighborhood or the upstair apartment or
>whatever)
>does something you don't agree with and you won't change your mind and
>they
>won't change their mind and then what?
>
>What processes will be used, by the individuals and/or the larger group,
>in
>this situation?
>What will your villagers do when personal fecal matter surfaces in a
>consensus
>decision-making session and the consensus process goes all to heck?
>Consensus is well suited to making group decisions when all involved are
>getting their essential needs met - what about when they're not and won't
>play
>consensus?
>
>And so on.
>Sooner or later, it all comes down to human relatings.
>
>Reflections from the various 'communes' and back-to-land groups and so on
>from
>three and four decades ago generally indicate that if they melted down, it
>wasn't ultimately because of money or technology or land or lack thereof
>or
>whatever.  It was because they didn't have (or didn't use, because we
>always
>have the choice *not* to use) adequate and/or appropriate interpersonal
>structure and process to deal with themselves and each other
>constructively
>instead of destructively.
>
>Peer pressure (like parenting) can be loving and healthy and supportive,
>or it
>can be mean and cruel and ugly, with consequences reflecting which it is.
>
>Which approach will your villagers take?  How will your villagers know the
>difference?  Etc...
>
>
>
>John Schinnerer - MA, Whole Systems Design
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