Re: ecovillage and sustainability

I've only tuned in occasionally as I am in the middle of small property real
estate transactions myself.  Just my
two cents...but certainly our "american independence" will do us in if it is
not altered.

I just sent this to a friend....excuse the cut and paste as I am once again
running out the door.

This was in reply to a discussion on the probability of a mass reduction in
the Earth population.....  ...and my mention of Prout
(Progressive Utilization Theory)

>it can still be averted by raising collective consciousness.

I'm afraid I don't have much hope, even tho, I will still work in that
direction.  So far human nature(etc), and the masses' historical
adherence to it/acceptance of it, leaves me in this doubt.   I think there
will be much hardship before there is a change for the good.
I think that 'Amerika' will have to fall/fail.   Our "rugged individualism"
that so many like to hold up proudly as a badge will do use in.
It is a dated concept and one that ironically doesn't even exist in those
who so fiercely defend it.
There is not enough concept of society, environment and a greater good among
the, dare I say it, "ignorant masses" to save this
country.   That's OK there is still a whole world out there.   The danger
lies in that we have the largest arsenal on the planet and
those in power will not give up easily.....those in power still have the
"i-masses" convinced they are right.

Prout is the best concrete theory I've seen so far.   I like the Ecovillage
movement also....they seem to 'get it' or some of 'it' even it they
don't directly know Prout.

The first link below's a good start on Prout.  Imagine watchdogs and
whistleblowers having a 'government' job and elevated to
high status in society!  And, although I realize it is just semantics, I
don't like the use of the word "morality" (due to it's
over use and abuse by the Christian right wing)....in my mind, I've
substituted it with the word "ethics".....as I usually do in
non-Christian contexts.

http://www.proutworld.org/ideology/democracy/polsysp.htm



Also,  if ya make it thru that one....here's the first of five
principles...out of 16 principles.  If you haven't read the
above yet, the  "collective body" is considered thusly....." the political
power should be centralized in a board or Collective Body of Sadvipras. From
such centralization of power, no one has to fear, because spiritualists act
only in the interest of others." (Government is a serious matter; the
administration of society should not be a playground for the self-seeking
and corrupt people in society. It should be in the hands of what Sarkar
calls sadvipras - staunch morally conscious spiritualists.")
Also....."sadvipras are rare, but they are here today and will be in future.
Indeed Sarkar is optimistic that soon society, while reeling under the
engines of capitalist repression, will recognize the services, selfless love
and intellectual brilliance of the present day sadvipras, and then demand
that they be placed at the helm."

1st fundamental principle of Prout
No individual should be allowed to accumulate any physical wealth without
the clear permission or approval of the collective body.

http://www.proutworld.org/ideology/5fpp/1stfpp.htm



The first five.......

1st principle: Ceiling on accumulation of physical wealth
2nd principle: Maximum utilization and rational distribution of all
potentialities of the world
3rd principle: Maximum utilization of all individual and collective
potentialities
4th principle: Proper adjustment between all utilizations
5th principle: Methods of utilization to vary with changes in time, place
and person and be of progressive nature
http://www.proutworld.org/ideology/5fpp/5fpp.htm


It is a beautiful sunny cool day in Texas......rare low temps for
May.....it's wonderful!!

Take care....peace,love,joy.
Kit



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----- Original Message -----
From: "earthsea" <info-oggiLW5btbMsA/[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Ecobal]ecovillage and sustainability


> > a true Sangha--a community without boundaries, in which, like a Moebius
> >band, those "outside" are also inside? A community that takes care of
> >everyone, and abandons no one; that takes care of everything, and
abandons
> >nothing?
> >Tom
>
many "intentional"
> >communities operate under is a bit restrictive and clone like for
> >independant americans like us, who can have a big brother super power
> >protect us while while we luxuriate in our overconsuming american dream
> >lifestyles and talk about sustainability all day on computer....but we
can
> >make it if we are open to change and not status quo old eco and family
> >destructive habits....there is a new/old solution to all this pollution
> >and it is called evolution.....slow but moving....aloha
> >--
> >forest




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