Re: new bibliographic data schema proposal

"Markus Hoenicka" <[email protected]>
Newsgroups gmane.text.refdb.general
Message-ID <[email protected]>
Bruce D'Arcus writes:
 > Markus, I posted something on my blog about it (had been working on
 > the Atom stuff anyway):
 > 
 > <http://netapps.muohio.edu/blogs/darcusb/darcusb/archives/2006/04/22/rbib-comments>
 > 

Thanks for these comments.

 > I suppose in a nutshell my argument is that the three-level structure
 > and flat typing is still not very, um, relational.

I can't follow you here. In risx, only periodicals were treated in a
more or less relational fashion. rbib treats the relationships of all
levels in a relational fashion, regardless of the reference type. You
can even define relations between datasets, regardless of the level of
the dataset. Is it that the relations are hard-linked only in the
database, not in the XML file?

 > Also, I think there
 > are some recent developments around syndication technologies in
 > particular, as well as RDF, that make it pretty important to fit new
 > formats into those methods of modelling data, identifying things
 > (increasingly using uris) and so forth.
 > 

Two things:

- isn't the data format definition (the RelaxNG schema in this case)
independent of the modes of distribution (e.g. an Atom feed)? I don't
know much about Atom, but it seems to me that you can embed just about
anything as a payload (at least with namespaces).

- if you work with URIs to address relational parts of a reference,
who defines/publishes these items? Do you expect them to be
universally available on the web? Do you expect the bibliographic
dataset an URI points to to be unique on the web? Why would you want
to store the stuff in a database then? What do you do when you're
offline? Seems like I don't really understand how this is supposed to
work.

 > That said, if all you're interested in is improving RISX, then it
 > seems you're on the right track. But even so, I think you can bring it
 > closer in line with my suggestions.
 > 

I wouldn't mind, but I guess I'll have to learn quite a bit.

regards,
Markus

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