Re: TEI element for a grapheme?

Hi Martin, and Paul,

Yes the definition I used (taken from a French dictionary 
http://www.cnrtl.fr/definition/graph%C3%A8me) defines a grapheme as the 
smallest unit in a writing system _transcribing phonemes_. But it also 
says that some _other linguists_ consider that a grapheme is aligned to 
a letter. For example: The word "temps" (time) = 2 graphemes according 
to the first definition (t-emps), 4 graphemes in the latter (t-em-p-s)...

Seems like the pessimistic conclusion of Paul's answer receives another 
confirmation?
I guess it's as usual a question of defining the categories one uses, 
and trying to be consistant in your practice...
Thanks a lot!

Cheers


Le 27/09/2016 à 18:51, Martin Holmes a écrit :
> Hi Emmanuelle,
>
> It sounds like what you mean by grapheme might be what I understand by 
> phoneme, so I would guess that the usage of these terms in your field 
> differs from what I'm used to.
>
> Cheers,
> Martin
>
> On 2016-09-27 09:38 AM, Emmanuelle Morlock wrote:
>> Thanks Martin,
>>
>> Yes in my example it's a single grapheme.
>>
>> But whereas graphemes are the smallest unit in a writing system they can
>> be composed of more than one letter. For ex. [o] = o, au, eau in French.
>> The use case comes from a transliteration of an inscribed text, that's
>> why a single glyph drawn on a page or inscribed on a stone, may be
>> represented by a combination of letters in a transliteration...
>>
>> Is it clearer? apologies too for the loose terminology; I'd be glad to
>> here more from linguists on that topic. I understand that depending on
>> the linguistic school of thoughts the segmentation of a word in
>> graphemes might vary....
>>
>> Would <g type="graphematic">th</g> sound better?
>>
>> Cheers
>> Emmanuelle
>>
>>
>> Le 27/09/2016 à 17:49, Martin Holmes a écrit :
>>> Hi Emmanuelle,
>>>
>>> There's one thing I'm not clear on in your question: my understanding
>>> of a grapheme is that it's the smallest unit in a writing system, so
>>> I'm not sure what this means:
>>>
>>> <g type="grapheme">th</g>
>>>
>>> Is there a single grapheme in this particular script (thorn or eth,
>>> for instance) which is what you're referencing here? I don't see how a
>>> combination of two glyphs (apologies for loose terminology) can
>>> constitute a single grapheme.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Martin
>>>
>>> On 2016-09-27 02:27 AM, Emmanuelle Morlock wrote:
>>>> Dear TEI list,
>>>>
>>>> Which tei element would you use to represent a grapheme (as opposed 
>>>> to a
>>>> phoneme)?
>>>>
>>>> If I get it well, a <fs> would be used for phoneme cf.
>>>> http://www.tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/FS.html#FSFL
>>>>
>>>> Is using<c> (character) possible when the grapheme is composed of 
>>>> more 1
>>>> graphic character?
>>>>
>>>> For example, if I want to say: "Dupond is reading <th> instead of <b>"
>>>>
>>>> - Dupond is reading <g type="grapheme'>th</g> instead of <g
>>>> type="grapheme'>b</g>
>>>>
>>>> - Dupond is reading <c>th</c> instead of <c>b</c>
>>>>
>>>> - Dupond is reading <g type="grapheme'>th</d> instead of <c>b</c>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your help!
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>
>>


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