Re: <p type="I_wish">

Wouldn't @ana suffice for these?

On 07/10/16 23:03, Sewell, David R. (drs2n) wrote:
> I'll admit that in the current case, and probably in many of the 
> previous ones, the pargraph typology I wanted to capture has local 
> significance but doesn't represent a generalizable typology. So from 
> the point of view of document interchange, possibly forcing an encoder 
> to come up with a more semantically specific TEI construct is 
> justifiable.
>
> But aren't there some pretty obvious examples that jump to mind? For 
> example, in a novel where interior monologue is represented by 
> italicized paragraphs, rather than treating that purely as an instance 
> of rendering? So
>
> <p type="interior_monologue">
>
> (with a presentational attribute as well if desired)? I'm sure there 
> are other gold-standard TEI ways of doing this, maybe using @ana 
> pointing to an <interp> element explaining that these are interior 
> monologues, which would have the advantage of being quite explicit 
> about things. But there are zillion TEI-encoded documents out there 
> with things like <div type="notes"> where the meaning of "notes" is 
> implicit in the @type value.
>
> OK, here's another example from something I worked on recently, a 
> volume of the press conferences of Woodrow Wilson. The volume uses 
> consistent, distinct, typographical paragraphing styles for questions 
> and answers. The most natural tagging would simply have been
>
> <p type="question">..</p>
> <p type="answer">..</p>
>
> which is really not semantically equivalent to the TEI-valid 
> alternative I converted things to
>
> <sp who="#Wilson"><p>...</p></sp>
> <sp who="#Press"><p>...</p></sp>
>
> because one can't be 100% sure that the speakers in each case are 
> "Wilson" and "the Press" -- the typography only lets you be sure that 
> one block of text is a question, and another is an answer. (I could 
> have gone with <ab> of course.)
>
> David
>
> On Fri, 7 Oct 2016, Martin Holmes wrote:
>
>> Quoting James, from an old closed ticket:
>>
>> [quote]
>> Our default question when someone asks for att.typed membership for 
>> an element is to ask two questions:
>> 1) Is the element repeatable?
>> 2) Can we think of some reasonable examples of how someone might want 
>> to classify this element (both generally (@type) and specifically 
>> (@subtype)
>> [/quote]
>>
>> <p> is clearly repeatable, so the second question is the one to focus 
>> on. If you have a couple of examples of paragraph typologies, please 
>> raise a ticket for this and Council will discuss it. It might be 
>> worth looking through some old related tickets to see the sorts of 
>> arguments that are likely to come up:
>>
>> <https://github.com/TEIC/TEI/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aissue%20is%3Aclosed%20in%3Atitle%20type%20> 
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Martin
>>
>> On 2016-10-07 01:13 PM, Robinson, Peter wrote:
>>> I am at one with David on this rant. It would be so cool to have 
>>> type as
>>> a universal attribute, along with n/rend/xml:id and a few others. It
>>> does rather surprise me to see how many universal attributes there are
>>> (see 
>>> http://www.tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-att.global.html) 
>>>
>>> — and yet, @type is not one of them. Yes, I do recall the legions of
>>> discussion on this point oh so many years ago. I was frustrated then, I
>>> am frustrated now.
>>>
>>> Peter (frustratedly)
>>>
>>>> On Oct 7, 2016, at 9:56 PM, David Sewell <[email protected]
>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Just venting a bit at the end of a longish week... For the X'th time
>>>> in a decade or so, where X is a moderately large number, I find myself
>>>> thinking "I do wish that TEI allowed @type on paragraphs, it would
>>>> make my life so much easier!"
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I realize it's not going to happen, yes I'm going to use <ab
>>>> type="whatever"> instead. It's a context where semantically the things
>>>> really *are* typed paragraphs, not logical divs, not anonymous blocks.
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> David Sewell
>>>> Manager of Digital Initiatives
>>>> The University of Virginia Press
>>>> Email: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>   Tel: +1
>>>> 434 924 9973
>>>> Web: http://www.upress.virginia.edu/rotunda
>>>
>>
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