Re: Page breaks out of order for writing in multiple orientations

HI Peter,

You could use the @next and @prev attributes on pb tags as well as divs.

For orientation, the Writing Modes section of the Guidelines might help:

<http://www.tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/WD.html#WDWM>

It was revised fairly recently, and provides standards-based ways of 
describing text sequence and orientation. You may not need it, though, 
if the text itself always written left-to-right, top-to-bottom, and it's 
only the orientation of the writing surface which changes.

Cheers,
Martin


On 2016-10-17 09:14 AM, Peter Boot wrote:
> ​Hello all,
>
> We are working on a edition of the complete writings and letters of the
> painter Mondrian. One of the notebooks that he used presents an
> interesting challenge to the encoder.
>
> The writing in the book uses all four possible orientations:
> - 'normal writing', starting in the top left corner of the page,
> proceeding to the next page when the page is full
> - 'reversed': the book was reversed and used normally, so the writing
> now begins in what is from the original perspective the bottom right
> corner, and the next page of a text is now on the 'previous' page (given
> the main page numbering)
> - 'landscape': writing begins bottom left, lines are
> vertical, proceeding to the next page when the page is full
> - 'landscape reversed': writing begins top right, proceeding to previous
> page when page is full
>
> We want to present to the user both a physical view of the notebook,
> where the pages are presented in sequence, and a logical view, that
> presents the reconstructed text fragments in their intended order. We'd
> much prefer to construct both from a single transcription.
>
> In all the encoding project I was involved with up to now, it has been
> the case that the physical view of the manuscript was generated from the
> sequence of pb-elements. In the XML therefore, the pb-elements had to be
> ordered as in the manuscript. This has never presented a problem. But if
> we do that in this case, for e.g. the fragments that start at the end of
> the notebook this lead would lead to unhappy consequences for div- and p
> -elements.
>
> Suppose a div that starts on p. 100 continues on p . 99, and we keep the
> pbs in sequence. Then the div that starts on p. 100 will have to be
> closed on p. 99. That obviously won't work, so we'll have to split the
> div and p and who knows segs and quotes and hi-elements and connect them
> using next- and prev-attributes, something like this:
>
> <pb n="99"/>
> <div xml:id="div-123" prev="#div-122">
>   <p xml:id="p-789" prev="#p-788">
>   <!-- text continued on p. 99 -->
>   </p>
> </div>
> <pb n="100"/>
> <div xml:id="div-122" next="#div-123">
>   <p xml:id="p-788" next="#p-789">
>   <!-- text starts on p. 100 -->
>   </p>
> </div>
>
> As that is an error-prone mess, we have no choice but to reverse the pb's:
>
> <pb n="100"/>
> <div xml:id="div-122">
>   <p xml:id="p-788">
>   <!-- text starts on p. 100 -->
>   <pb n="99"/>
>   <!-- text continued on p. 99 -->
>   </p>
> </div>
>
> Which is obviously better.
>
> The orientation of the writing on the page can be expressed using the
> rotate attribute on a zone element corresponding to the pb.
>
> I can't think of another reasonable way of doing this, but I wanted to
> ask whether there are other ideas for solving this.
>
> Thanks,
> Peter
>
>