Re: div and p
Martin Holmes <[email protected]>
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> @Martin: I don't suggest to change the jTEI format, I'm currently > using it to write book chapters, which may explain why I'm running > into this issue. The jTEI rules are not the source of the problem, > they just make it more evident. It worries me a bit that the jTEI schema makes what is already awkward (the need to wrap trailing <p>s in an anonymous <div>) actually impossible (because it insists on a <head>), now that we know that for French historians, and presumably many other disciplines, are trained to structure documents in exactly this way. I'm glad you're using jTEI, though, and the more it's used (not just for the journal), the better it will get if we respond to these things. Cheers, Martin On 2017-01-12 09:18 AM, Marjorie Burghart wrote: > Hello! > > How common: off the top of my head, I would say that it is the norm > (and not an oddity) at least for historical essays (for what I know - > it might be quite common in other genres). This is part of the "art > of writing" I have been taught as a French historian: at the end of a > chapter, you must offer a short abstract of the topics and > conclusions of the current chapter, and offer a "transition" from > those topics to topic of the next chapter. My PhD certainly follows > this rule, as did my supervisor's dissertation. The typographic > conventions may vary: a bit more space before the conclusive > paragraph, a separation sign (in my PhD I chose to have asterisks in > the shape of a triangle, I don't know if this sign has a name?), or > sometimes nothing particular. > > @James: of course I could find workarounds, but what I find irksome > is that I have to... > > @Martin: I don't suggest to change the jTEI format, I'm currently > using it to write book chapters, which may explain why I'm running > into this issue. The jTEI rules are not the source of the problem, > they just make it more evident. > > > > ----- Mail original ----- De: "C. M. Sperberg-McQueen" > <[email protected]> À: [email protected] Envoyé: Jeudi > 12 Janvier 2017 16:33:00 Objet: Re: div and p > >> On Jan 12, 2017, at 7:28 AM, Paul Schaffner >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Just to confirm that in encoding tens of thousands of books, and >> instructing editors, the p,div vs. div,p issue in TEI has been a >> source of frequent frustration. Far from being rare, actual >> examples of div,p are quite common in the wild. > > Since we didn’t examine every book printed on Western presses since > 1470, it would not be surprising if there were counter-examples we > had missed. Since however we did look, I’m a little surprised to > hear you say counter-examples are not just existent but “quite > common”. > > Can you point to any examples? Can you give frequency numbers? Of a > thousand books, do 400 have material that should go in > paragraph-level chunks after sub-divisions? What does “quite common” > mean, quantitatively? > > And … what are the typographic signals that indicate that the > paragraphs in question are part of the higher-level division but not > part of the immediately preceding subdivision, and not part of a new > subdivision of its own? > > > ******************************************** C. M. Sperberg-McQueen > Black Mesa Technologies LLC [email protected] > http://www.blackmesatech.com > ******************************************** >