Re: Dictionaries, practical question

Hi Charly,

sorry for the confusion. I was simply stupid enough to pass my mail on back
to you and the list while it was rather meant to be forwarded to some other
guys in the TEI area. ;) I am glad to hear that VLE benefits from BaseX!

Cheers
Christian




Am 13.01.2017 11:43 schrieb "Mörth, Karlheinz" <[email protected]
>:

You are right, and to be precise, it should be "makes heavily use of the
BaseX database" or "builds on the BaseX database"

We actually see in the move away from traditional architectures (CLIENT -
PHP/PERL/PYTHON - relational database) towards REST in combination with
BaseX an important step forward which is due - among others - to the fact
that BaseX is so straightforward to set up. The 'monolingual' XML-only
architecture (XSLT, XML SCHEMA, XQuery) turned out to be a big advantage.
Getting others to create a functioning environment has become much more
feasible like this. BaseX also proved to be very efficient in querying and
stable during operation.

All the best

Charly

-----Original Message-----
From: Christian Grün [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 4:42 PM
To: Mörth, Karlheinz <[email protected]>
Cc: tei-l <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Dictionaries, practical question

VLE (dictionary writing system), »recent versions are tightly
integrated with the BaseX«…
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On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 4:31 PM, Mörth, Karlheinz
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
> There is an incomplete but helpful list on Wikipedia:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictionary_writing_system
>
> Are you aware of the following very interesting document? It was created
as part of the ENEL (European Network of e-Lexicography) Cost Action by
very experienced experts in the field (Abel, Krek, Tiberius): Bibliography
–Dictionary Writing Systems (DWS) & related software
> http://www.elexicography.eu/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/
Bibliography_DWS_CQS_v7_web.pdf
>
> The Viennese Lexicographic Editor (VLE) is a Windows standalone
application which we have been developing for quite some time now. Several
smaller dictionaries were done with it. The most recent one is:
> https://basex-dev.eos.arz.oeaw.ac.at/dict_api/tunico/tunis_dict__v002.html
(prod. server; link will change)
>
> Others you can find on the Vienna-Corpus-of-Arabic-Varieties (VICAV)
website:
> https://vicav.acdh.oeaw.ac.at
>
> VLE is a general-purpose XML editor enhanced by functionalities typically
needed in editing lexical data. We have compiled all our dictionaries in
TEI. If you want to see details of the encoding, have a look here:
> https://clarin.oeaw.ac.at/lrp/dict-gate/docs.html
>
> VLE makes use of various XML technologies, e.g. XSLT, XPath, XQuery. It
has a number of useful features which were needed in our projects
(validation against XML Schema, visualisation through customizable XSLT in
all parts of the system, sound recording etc). Recent versions are tightly
integrated with the BaseX database which makes it easy to set up local
instances. We also have implemented versioning. It comes with a tokenEditor
that allows to furnish corpora with dictionary IDs. Recently we have been
working on an Application Creator module which helps to create web
applications by means of a very simple wizard.
>
> Due to time pressure, VLE is still scarcely documented although we have
been working on this. It is freely available. If you want to try it, get in
touch. I am happy to help. VLE is an ongoing project.
>
> All the best
>
> Charly
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TEI (Text Encoding Initiative) public discussion list [mailto:
[email protected]] On Behalf Of Piotr Banski
> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 11:22 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Dictionaries, practical question
>
> I have worked with FLEx and FLEx-generated XML, first preparing a large
> corpus-derived dictionary for FLEx ingestion and then iterating on that.
> It can be done with only a minor headache as you learn the underlying
> format and then e.g. discover the differences between particular versions.
>
> I don't really see an ontological platform for comparing FLEx vs. TEI.
> FLEx is a 'machine`, TEI is a metaformat. I'd take FLEx for
> lexicographic work and then worry about potential export to TEI (or
> rather transformation from FLEx export). Or even attempt to go both
> ways, if the initial data are in TEI, but then, maintaining references
> could be a challenge.
>
> I have planned to check out the Viennese Lexicographic Editor[1], and
> even managed to run it under Linux, but got stuck afterwards. It is
> definitely worth trying for some lexicographic tasks, especially when
> it's gotten more documentation.
>
> [1] http://www.oeaw.ac.at/acdh/de/vle
>
> Good luck,
>
>    Piotr
>
>
> On 01/11/2017 10:55 PM, Patrick Sahle wrote:
>>
>> I had a similar discussion only today: a colleague wants to create from
>> a 18th century manuscript a multi language lexicon using FieldWorks/FLEx
>> (http://fieldworks.sil.org/). I tried to convince him on the advantages
>> using TEI would have but didn't get through. I see his arguments for an
>> easy to use tool that is established in his field. But I am concerned
>> about the loss of information about the material, visual and structural
>> aspects of the documents. We are now discussing into two directions:
>> - would it be possible to convert from FLEx to (sufficiently information
>> rich) TEI in the end? Mainly for interoperability reasons ...
>> - would it be wise to go from TEI to FLEx (keeping more information from
>> the documents, but working without an easy editing tool)?
>>
>> Any experiences on this around?
>>
>> Best, Patrick
>>
>> Am 11.01.2017 um 16:37 schrieb Paul Schaffner:
>>> Hi all, this is not strictly TEI, as you'll see, but I suspect there are
>>> a number of lexicographers here. I was asked yesterday by someone
>>> compiling a Latin dictionary if there was a standard (perhaps
>>> database-type) piece of application software in which to compile, edit,
>>> and search it. He is (sigh) using Microsoft Word at the moment, and has
>>> rejected the usual filemaker-type databases as not sufficiently
>>> supportive of word-processor-type formatting (multiple languages and
>>> fonts, etc.) I of course pointed out that the chief desideratum for
>>> future functionality was to distinguish unambiguously between different
>>> structurally distinct pieces of each entry; that XML was a good vehicle
>>> for recording the sort of mixture of fielded, normalized and free-form
>>> text typical of dictionaries; that XML could be entered, searched, and
>>> edited in any number of applications, from Access forms to simple text
>>> editors; and that TEI did have a functional dictionaries module which
>>> was worth considering. I am investigating further as to what he actually
>>> hopes to do with the data, which makes a big difference.
>>>
>>> But in the meantime: is there in fact a popular software choice amongst
>>> working lexicographers? (To the extent that anything used by
>>> lexicographers could be called 'popular'!)
>>>
>>> pfs
>>>
>>
>>
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