Re: seg and interp
Piotr Banski <[email protected]> Tue, 2 May 2017 20:30:09 +0200
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Dear Roberto, The intended nature of <taxonomy> aside for a moment (because the result can also be achieved with feature structures, if text analysis wouldn't qualify for being encoded in a <taxonomy>... but then, what a sad device it would be :-) ), I think the primary solution depends on the assumed methodology. If Mike's system presupposes a taxonomy that is already complete or that could at least potentially be made complete, then it seems that he should go for a <taxonomy> or an equivalent (it could be an external ontology, depending on his area and the stage of research into it). If, however, the approach is more free-style, essentially creating an open-ended taxonomy (or rather multiple taxonomies, as we've seen), then not having a central repository is an advantage, because then the current state can be harvested from, say, <interpGrp>s as you propose (or essentially by cyclically parsing the @ana attributes as the annotators move on). (And whatever Mike's final decision is going to be, using capitalization inside attribute values can probably bite harder than using a separator such as a dot or a hyphen, unless the values, contrary to appearances, are expected to be atomic.) Best regards, Piotr On 04/29/17 09:55, Roberto Rosselli Del Turco wrote: > Dear Piotr, > I've been tempted to use <taxonomy> for a very similar purpose, but > wouldn't that be a sort of "tag abuse"? Since from what I understand > reading the relative section in the Guidelines this element should be > used for *bibliographical* taxonomies only, it is not a general > purpose classification tool. > > I would then suggest to use @ana with <seg>, as you do too, pointing > to a number of <interp>s in an <interpGrp>. > > All best, > > R > > Il 28.04.2017 21:24 Piotr Bański ha scritto: >> Dear Mike, >> >> It looks like your system assumes a rich taxonomy of objects the >> textual cues to which you choose to identify in your corpus. I would >> suggest that you first explore the possibilities that <taxonomy> gives >> you, as it will free you of the need to parse your attributes later >> on, but it will also force you (or help you) to keep your (so far >> merely implied) taxonomy consistent throughout. >> >> http://www.tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-taxonomy.html >> >> Below is a fragment that uses <seg> alone -- which you may like, >> because it's simpler for the encoders. >> >> Remarks: >> 1. the markup below presupposes several hierarchically organised >> <taxonomy> elements in the header. >> 2. I am not sure what you use @function for, so I just keep it as-is >> 3. It is a good idea to index at least the added <seg> elements. The >> indices I added to them have nearly random content. >> 4. You don't need @prev on the last one, but it may be useful. It's up >> to you and your tools. I assumed a rule whereby if there is no @ana >> attribute, it means that the <seg> is a continuation, and @prev points >> to the previous one in the chain. But YMMV. >> 5. Sorry about the line breaks, you may want to paste this fragment >> into your test TEI document and reformat. >> >> Hope this helps, >> >> Piotr >> >> <body> >> <div> >> <p>In the <seg xml:id="d-p3-s3" ana="#place.main">Country >> of the Bhargas, on Mount >> Śuśumāra in a fearsome forest of wild animals</seg> >> with a <seg xml:id="d-p3-s4" >> ana="#audience.Gen">great saṅgha of about 500 monks, >> eminent śrāvaka-elders who >> possessed clairvoyance</seg>.</p> >> </div> >> <div> >> <p><seg xml:id="d-p-s43" function="modul" >> ana="#past.life.Who">if you wonder whether the >> brahmin boy Bhadraśuddha was then at that time >> someone else, or you are of two >> minds about it, or doubtful, do not see him so. Why? >> Because the bodhisattva >> mahāsattva Maitreya himself was then at that time >> the brahmin boy >> Bhadraśuddha</seg></p> >> <p> >> <seg xml:id="d-p-s44" function="modul" >> type="#qualities.Buddha" next="#d-p-s45">The >> Tathāgata was handsome and charismatic, controlled >> in his faculties and in his >> mind. He had attained excellence in control and calm >> abiding, and superiority in >> control and calm abiding. He guarded his faculties, >> elephant-like in control of >> his passions, and was radiant, unsullied, and clear >> like a lake.</seg></p> >> >> <p><seg xml:id="d-p-s45" function="modul" >> prev="#d-p-s44">His body was adorned with the >> thirty-two marks of a great being, and with the >> eighty minor marks, like the >> blossoming flower of a royal sal tree, and towering >> like Mount Meru, the king of >> mountains. His face was as calm as the sphere of the >> moon, and radiantly clear and >> brilliant like the sphere of the sun. His body was >> proportioned like a nyagrodha >> tree, blazing with light and great splendor.</seg></p> >> </div> >> </body> >> >> >> >> On 28/04/17 09:41, Mike Engle wrote: >>> Hi all >>> >>> I'm involved in a project in which we're marking up a large body of >>> literature and we want to mark various passages in the texts as >>> significant, in essence labeling them as "this" or "that". We took a >>> look through the TEI Guidelines and decided to use <seg> and >>> <interp> to >>> mark the various passages with different attributes to specifiy what >>> type of passage it is. >>> >>> For example, with <interp>: >>> >>> In the <interptype="placeMain">Country of the Bhargas, on Mount >>> Śuśumāra >>> in a fearsome forest of wild animals</interp> with a <interp >>> type="audienceGen">great saṅgha of about 500 monks, eminent >>> śrāvaka-elders who possessed clairvoyance</interp>. >>> >>> >>> And with <seg>: >>> >>> <segfunction="modul"type="pastLifeWho">if you wonder whether the >>> brahmin boy >>> Bhadraśuddha was then at that time someone >>> else, >>> or you are of two minds >>> about it, or doubtful, do not see him so. Why? >>> Because the bodhisattva >>> mahāsattva Maitreya himself was then at that >>> time the brahmin boy >>> Bhadraśuddha</seg> >>> >>> >>> Two questions: >>> >>> 1) Since this is going to be a very long term and labor extensive >>> project, I wanted to check and see if the community in general felt >>> this >>> was a reasonable way to mark these passages and also if there are any >>> suggestions for other ways to do this which might work better. Can >>> anyone suggest any other elements that might be useful for this kind of >>> thing? >>> >>> 2) We have a problem of going across elements (breaking the nesting so >>> to speak). For instance, a passage might start in the middle of one >>> paragraph and finish halfway through another paragraph, and when we >>> mark >>> it the tag begins in one paragraph and closes in the next. The schema >>> doesn't like this one bit, and I'm wondering what is the best way to >>> handle this. For example: >>> >>> >>> <p><seg function="modul" type="qualitiesBuddha">The Tathāgata was >>> handsome and charismatic, >>> controlled in his faculties and in his mind. He >>> had attained excellence in >>> control and calm abiding, and superiority in >>> control and calm abiding. He >>> guarded his faculties, elephant-like in control >>> of his passions, and >>> was radiant, unsullied, and clear like a >>> lake.</p> >>> >>> <p>His body was adorned with the >>> thirty-two marks of a great being, and with the >>> eighty minor marks, like the >>> blossoming flower of a royal sal tree, and >>> towering like Mount Meru, the >>> king of mountains. His face was as calm as the >>> sphere of the moon, and >>> radiantly clear and brilliant like the >>> sphere of >>> the sun. His body was proportioned like a >>> nyagrodha tree, blazing with light >>> and great splendor.</seg></p> >>> >>> >>> Any help is greatly appreciate. Forgive the formatting >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> >>> >>> >