Re: @xml:base with @rendition (and maybe other pointers)
Piotr Banski <[email protected]> Wed, 3 May 2017 23:54:22 +0200
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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------31528E08B55A29AB35021EA4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's great to see this issue resolved. Thanks to all involved, and to John for raising it! Best, Piotr (a tiny bit sad about tei.localref floating away...) On 05/03/17 23:09, Hugh Cayless wrote: > That's exactly what it does. It's just that the behavior of=20 > same-document references is prescribed in such a way that they end up=20 > resolving to the current document regardless of the value of the=20 > @xml:base. > > Put another way, @xml:base has an influence on what the client=20 > application will retrieve when it dereferences a URI and retrieves the=20 > referenced document, but in the case of same-document references no=20 > such retrieval is expected to occur=E2=80=94it's assumed the client alr= eady=20 > has the document. > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 4:29 PM, John P. McCaskey=20 > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Oh. I thought it obvious they all resolved the same. > > I think the same about this one. You think otherwise? > > <div xml:base=3D"http://www.myteiproject.com/" > <http://www.myteiproject.com/> <div xml:base=3D"images/"> <div> > <graphic url=3D"logo.jpg"> </div> <div > xml:base=3D"http://www.dictionary.com/words/ > <http://dictionary.com/words/>"> <p xml:base=3D"a.html"> <ref > target=3D"#apple">apple</ref> </p> </div> </div> </div> > > I didn=E2=80=99t think xml:base had any necessary relation to the c= urrent > document. I thought in XML (not HTML), it just sets a path for > URIs below it. > > --=20 > > On 5/3/2017 3:42 PM, Hugh Cayless wrote: >> Well, we don't know about the third one, except that it points to >> whatever element *in the same document* has the @xml:id "apple". >> When an application attempts to dereference it, it should make >> the URI in @ref absolute and check it against the base >> (http://www.dictionary.com/words/a.html >> <http://www.dictionary.com/words/a.html>), discover they are >> identical, decide it doesn't need to fetch anything, and go >> looking in the current document for the element with the id "apple= ". >> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 3:27 PM, John P. McCaskey >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote= : >> >> Are people proposing that these targets do not all resolve to >> the same http://www.dictionary.com/words/a.html#apple >> <http://www.dictionary.com/words/a.html#apple>? <div >> xml:base=3D"http://www.dictionary.com/" >> <http://www.dictionary.com/>> <p xml:base=3D"words/"> <ref >> target=3D"a.html#apple">apple</ref> </p> </div> <div >> xml:base=3D"http://www.dictionary.com/words/" >> <http://www.dictionary.com/words/>> <p xml:base=3D"a.html"> >> <ref target=3D"#apple">apple</ref> </p> </div> <div >> xml:base=3D"http://www.dictionary.com/words/a.html" >> <http://www.dictionary.com/words/a.html>> <p> <ref >> target=3D"#apple">apple</ref> </p> </div> <div >> xml:base=3D"http://www.dictionary.com/" >> <http://www.dictionary.com/>> <p> <ref >> target=3D"words/a.html#apple">apple</ref> </p> </div>-- >> --------------31528E08B55A29AB35021EA4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html> <head> <meta content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8" http-equiv=3D"Content-Ty= pe"> </head> <body text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"> <p>It's great to see this issue resolved. <br> </p> <p>Thanks to all involved, and to John for raising it! <br> </p> <p>Best,</p> <p>=C2=A0 Piotr (a tiny bit sad about tei.localref floating away...)<= br> </p> <br> <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 05/03/17 23:09, Hugh Cayless wrote:= <br> </div> <blockquote cite=3D"mid:[email protected]= ail.com" type=3D"cite"> <div dir=3D"ltr">That's exactly what it does. It's just that the behavior of same-document references is prescribed in such a way that they end up resolving to the current document regardless of the value of the @xml:base. <div><br> </div> <div>Put another way, @xml:base has an influence on what the client application will retrieve when it dereferences a URI and retrieves the referenced document, but in the case of same-document references no such retrieval is expected to occur=E2=80=94it's assumed the client already has the document.= </div> </div> <div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 4:29 PM, John P= . McCaskey <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">= [email protected]</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000"> <p><font size=3D"-1">Oh. I thought it obvious they all resolved the same. <br> </font></p> <p><font size=3D"-1">I think the same about this one. You think otherwise?<br> </font></p> <pre><font size=3D"-1"><div <a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" = class=3D"m_-7516606003097729134moz-txt-link-freetext">xml:base=3D</a><a m= oz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"m_-7516606003097729134moz-txt-link-rfc23= 96E" href=3D"http://www.myteiproject.com/" target=3D"_blank">"http://www.= <wbr>myteiproject.com/"</a> <div <a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"m_-7516606003097729134moz-= txt-link-freetext">xml:base=3D</a>"images/"> <div> <graphic url=3D"logo.jpg"> </div> <div <a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"m_-7516606003097729134m_= -1417418399130310658moz-txt-link-freetext">xml:base=3D</a><span class=3D"= m_-7516606003097729134m_-1417418399130310658moz-txt-link-rfc2396E">"<a mo= z-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"m_-7516606003097729134moz-txt-link-freete= xt" href=3D"http://www" target=3D"_blank">http://www</a>.<a moz-do-not-se= nd=3D"true" href=3D"http://dictionary.com/words/" target=3D"_blank">dicti= onar<wbr>y.com/words/</a>"</span>> <p <a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"m_-7516606003097729134m_= -1417418399130310658moz-txt-link-freetext">xml:base=3D</a>"a.html"> <ref target=3D"#apple">apple</ref> </p> </div> </div> </div>=20 </font></pre><p><font size=3D"-1">I didn=E2=80=99t think <a moz-do-not-se= nd=3D"true" class=3D"m_-7516606003097729134moz-txt-link-freetext">xml:bas= e</a> had any necessary relation to the current document. I thought in XM= L (not HTML), it just sets a path for URIs below it.</font></p><p><font s= ize=3D"-1">-- </font></p><div><div class=3D"h5"> <div class=3D"m_-7516606003097729134moz-cite-prefix">On 5/3/2017 3:42 PM,= Hugh Cayless wrote: </div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">Well, we don't know abou= t the third one, except that it points to whatever element *in the same d= ocument* has the @<a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"m_-751660600309772= 9134moz-txt-link-freetext">xml:id</a> "apple". When an application attemp= ts to dereference it, it should make the URI in @ref absolute and check i= t against the base (<a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"m_-7516606003097= 729134gmail-m_-1417418399130310658moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"http://w= ww.dictionary.com/words/a.html" style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap" target=3D"= _blank">http://www.dictionary.com/<wbr>words/a.html</a>), discover they a= re identical, decide it doesn't need to fetch anything, and go looking in= the current document for the element with the id "apple".</div><div clas= s=3D"gmail_extra"> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 3:27 PM, John P. McCask= ey <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" href=3D"mailto:mailb= [email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>></= span> wrote: <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:= 1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> =20 =20 =20 <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000"> <pre><font size=3D"-1">Are people proposing that these targets do not= all resolve=20 to the same <a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"m_-7516606003097729134m_= -1417418399130310658moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"http://www.dictionary.= com/words/a.html#apple" target=3D"_blank">http://www.dictionary.com/word<= wbr>s/a.html#apple</a>? </font><font size=3D"-1"><div <a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"m_-= 7516606003097729134m_-1417418399130310658moz-txt-link-freetext">xml:base=3D= </a><a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"m_-7516606003097729134m_-1417418= 399130310658moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"http://www.dictionary.com/" ta= rget=3D"_blank">"http://www.dictionar<wbr>y.com/"</a>> <p <a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"m_-7516606003097729134m_-1= 417418399130310658moz-txt-link-freetext">xml:base=3D</a>"words/"> <ref target=3D"a.html#apple">apple</r<wbr>ef> </p> </div> <div <a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"m_-7516606003097729134m_-141= 7418399130310658moz-txt-link-freetext">xml:base=3D</a><a moz-do-not-send=3D= "true" class=3D"m_-7516606003097729134m_-1417418399130310658moz-txt-link-= rfc2396E" href=3D"http://www.dictionary.com/words/" target=3D"_blank">"ht= tp://www.dictionar<wbr>y.com/words/"</a>> <p <a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"m_-7516606003097729134m_-1= 417418399130310658moz-txt-link-freetext">xml:base=3D</a>"a.html"> <ref target=3D"#apple">apple</ref> </p> </div> <div <a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"m_-7516606003097729134m_-141= 7418399130310658moz-txt-link-freetext">xml:base=3D</a><a moz-do-not-send=3D= "true" class=3D"m_-7516606003097729134m_-1417418399130310658moz-txt-link-= rfc2396E" href=3D"http://www.dictionary.com/words/a.html" target=3D"_blan= k">"http://www.dictionar<wbr>y.com/words/a.html"</a>> <p> <ref target=3D"#apple">apple</ref> </p> </div> <div <a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"m_-7516606003097729134m_-141= 7418399130310658moz-txt-link-freetext">xml:base=3D</a><a moz-do-not-send=3D= "true" class=3D"m_-7516606003097729134m_-1417418399130310658moz-txt-link-= rfc2396E" href=3D"http://www.dictionary.com/" target=3D"_blank">"http://w= ww.dictionar<wbr>y.com/"</a>> <p> <ref target=3D"words/a.html#apple">ap<wbr>ple</ref> </p> </div></font><span class=3D"m_-7516606003097729134HOEnZb"><font col= or=3D"#888888"> <font size=3D"-1"> --=20 </font></font></span></pre> </div> </blockquote></div> </div> </blockquote> </div></div></div></blockquote></div> </div> </blockquote> </body></html> --------------31528E08B55A29AB35021EA4--