Re: <sp> dans <seg>
Ioana Galleron <[email protected]> Fri, 5 May 2017 13:09:09 +0100
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Hi James,
Thanks for answering fast!
I thought about it, but this means, in practice, that when I will seek =
for =C2=AB confrontations =C2=BB in my plays I=E2=80=99ll actually get =
as many as <sp> marked up, while in fact it is a series of <sp> which =
constitutes one confrontation; the limits of this topical scene will be =
more difficult to spot - hence the use of <join>=E2=80=A6
I copy and paste a bit of a scene thus marked up, but since it is in =
French, I hesitated to do it the first time round.
Best,
Ioana=20
<interp xml:id=3D"Affront_Rivales">Afrrontement de femmes rivales, de =
caract=C3=A8re oppos=C3=A9.</interp>
<div type=3D"scene" n=3D"4" xml:id=3D"III_4">
<head>SCENE IV</head>
<stage>CEPHISE, CIDALISE</stage>
<sp who=3D"Cephise" xml:id=3D"III_4_1">
<speaker>CEPHISE<pc>.</pc></speaker>
<p>Enfin, ma niece, il faut nous s=C3=A9parer, vous =
partirez demain, s'il vous pla=C3=AEt,
pour aller trouver votre pere; j=E2=80=99ai bien =
voulu me charger du soin de vous
l'apprendre, de crainte que mon mari ne vous le =
d=C3=AEt avec plus d'aigreur.</p>
</sp>
<sp who=3D"Cidalise" xml:id=3D"III_4_2">
<speaker>CIDALISE<pc>.</pc></speaker>
<p>Je re=C3=A7ois tous les jours de ma vie, Madame, de =
nouvelles marques de vos bont=C3=A9s;
mais, Madame, voudriez-vous bien joindre une gr=C3=A2=
ce =C3=A0 toutes les obligations que
je vous ai?</p>
</sp>
<sp who=3D"Cephise" xml:id=3D"III_4_3">
<speaker>CEPHISE<pc>.</pc></speaker>
<p>Si c'est quelque chose qui d=C3=A9pende de moi, ma =
niece.</p>
</sp>
<sp who=3D"Cidalise" xml:id=3D"III_4_4">
<speaker>CIDALISE<pc>.</pc></speaker>
<p>La chose vous sera facile, Madame. </p>
</sp>
<sp who=3D"Cephise" xml:id=3D"III_4_5">
<speaker>CEPHISE<pc>.</pc></speaker>
<p> Ne me priez point surtout, de parler =C3=A0 mon =
mari pour vous.</p>
</sp>
<sp who=3D"Cidalise" xml:id=3D"III_4_6">
<speaker>CIDALISE<pc>.</pc></speaker>
<p>Non, Madame.</p>
</sp>
<sp who=3D"Cephise" xml:id=3D"III_4_7">
<speaker>CEPHISE<pc>.</pc></speaker>
<p>Cela seroit inutile.</p>
</sp>
<sp who=3D"Cidalise" xml:id=3D"III_4_8">
<speaker>CIDALISE<pc>.</pc></speaker>
<p>J'en suis persuad=C3=A9e, Madame.</p>
</sp>
<sp who=3D"Cephise" xml:id=3D"III_4_9">
<speaker>CEPHISE<pc>.</pc></speaker>
<p>Il ne veut point souffrir que vous soyez davantage =
chez lui.</p>
</sp>
<sp who=3D"Cidalise" xml:id=3D"III_4_10">
<speaker>CIDALISE<pc>.</pc></speaker>
<p>Je ne veux point y demeurer malgr=C3=A9 lui, ni =
malgr=C3=A9 vous, Madame.</p>
</sp>
<sp who=3D"Cephise" xml:id=3D"III_4_11">
<speaker>CEPHISE<pc>.</pc></speaker>
<p>Que voulez-vous donc que je fasse?</p>
</sp>
<sp who=3D"Cidalise" xml:id=3D"III_4_12">
<speaker>CIDALISE<pc>.</pc></speaker>
<p>Permettre que je puisse parler =C3=A0 mon oncle =
avant que de le quitter.</p>
</sp>
<sp who=3D"Cephise" xml:id=3D"III_4_13">
<speaker>CEPHISE<pc>.</pc></speaker>
<p>Non, ma niece, je ne vous le conseille pas, il est =
dans un trop grand
emportement contre vous.</p>
</sp>
<sp who=3D"Cidalise" xml:id=3D"III_4_14">
<speaker>CIDALISE<pc>.</pc></speaker>
<p>Mais, au moins, ne puis-je savoir les crimes dont =
on m'accuse?</p>
</sp>
<sp who=3D"Cephise" xml:id=3D"III_4_15">
<speaker>CEPHISE<pc>.</pc></speaker>
<p>Eh, mon Dieu, ma niece, rendez-vous un peu de =
justice! Pour moi, je vous crois
la plus innocente personne du monde; mais en =
v=C3=A9rit=C3=A9 les apparences sont
terriblement contre vous.</p>
</sp>
<sp who=3D"Cidalise" xml:id=3D"III_4_16">
<speaker>CIDALISE<pc>.</pc></speaker>
<p>Il est ais=C3=A9 d'empoisonner les choses les plus =
innocentes: mais cependant...</p>
</sp>
<join target=3D"#III_4_1 #III_4_2 #III_4_3 #III_4_4 =
#III_4_5 #III_4_6 #III_4_7 #III_4_8 #III_4_9 #III_4_10" =
ana=3D"#Affront_Rivales"/>
<sp who=3D"Cephise" xml:id=3D"III_4_17">
(the scene continus after this, but the conversatio moves to other =
topics).
> Le 5 mai 2017 =C3=A0 13:01, James Cummings =
<[email protected]> a =C3=A9crit :
>=20
>=20
> Hi Ioana,
>=20
> I might be misunderstanding without a clear example, but if the =
entirety of the speech is relating to a particular interpretation then =
why not use the @ana attribute on the speech itself? Then where the =
interpretation stops or changes mid-speech then mark it using <seg> =
inside the paragraph or verse lines. <seg> is definitely only intended =
for phrase-level segments of text. (<ab> is the equivalent for =
paragraph-like anonymous blocks.)
>=20
> <sp ana=3D"#confrontation">
> <p>Some text</p>
> </sp>
> <sp ana=3D"#confrontation">
> <l>Some verse continuing the confrontation</l>
> </sp>
> <sp>
> <p><seg ana=3D"#confrontation">Here some confrontation</seg> <seg =
ana=3D"#somethingElse">a different segment of interpretation</seg></p>
> </sp>
>=20
> These can indeed point to <interp> elements as you note, those for =
some forms of more taxonomical interpretation there are those who use =
@ana to point to a hierarchical <taxonomy> of many <category> and sub =
<category> elements.
>=20
> But maybe I've misunderstood.
>=20
> Best wishes,
> James
>=20
>=20
> On 05/05/17 12:52, Ioana Galleron wrote:
>> Dear all,
>>=20
>> I am trying to encode some topical elements in several plays, and I =
thought about using the couple of tags <seg @ana> and <interp>, as =
recommended by the guidelines; I think I can define a quite stable =
taxonomy of elements, which I could use to mark up several plays, and =
several occurrences of some motifs in the same play - hence the choice =
of <interp> rather than simply resorting to the use of <span>.
>>=20
>> (An example of such elements, for those interested and/ or for =
clarity sake: =C2=AB recognition =C2=BB; =C2=AB husband and wife =
quarreling =C2=BB; =C2=AB confrontation of rival women =C2=BB etc.; once =
again, these are widely used infra-scenes in the French plays of 17th =
and 18th century I am studying, so a common typology can be drafted of, =
and used to consistenly mark up several plays, by different authors).
>>=20
>> Unfortunately, <seg> does not seem to accept <sp> as a child, nor =
<sp> <seg>. Actually, <seg> is accepted only inside <p> or <l> (some of =
my plays are in prose, other in verses).
>> I can work around it by using the <join> element, pointing to the =
xml:id of each speech, but this is a cumbersome task when the topical =
element I want to mark runs over dozen of speeches (but still, does not =
cover the entire scene). It would be much easier if I could start a =
<seg> before the appropriate <sp> and end it after the last one.
>>=20
>> What am I not doing correctly? What else could I use to label chunks =
of text (of various lengths) after a coherent list of classes?
>> Best regards,
>> Ioana Galleron
>>=20
>>=20
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> --=20
> Dr James Cummings, [email protected]
> Academic IT Services, University of Oxford
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class=3D"">Hi James,<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Thanks for answering fast!</div><div class=3D"">I thought =
about it, but this means, in practice, that when I will seek for =
=C2=AB confrontations =C2=BB in my plays I=E2=80=99ll actually =
get as many as <sp> marked up, while in fact it is a series of =
<sp> which constitutes one confrontation; the limits of this =
topical scene will be more difficult to spot - hence the use of =
<join>=E2=80=A6</div><div class=3D"">I copy and paste a bit of a =
scene thus marked up, but since it is in French, I hesitated to do it =
the first time round.</div><div class=3D"">Best,</div><div class=3D""><div=
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<span =
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CIDALISE<span style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></stage></span><br=
class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><sp</span><span style=3D"color: =
#f9975e" class=3D""> who</span><span style=3D"color: #ff9450" =
class=3D"">=3D</span><span style=3D"color: #ab4500" =
class=3D"">"Cephise"</span><span style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> =
xml:id</span><span style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span =
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"III_4_1"</span><span style=3D"color: =
#021da7" class=3D"">></span><br class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><speaker></span>CEPHISE<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><pc></span>.<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></pc></speaker></span><br =
class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><p></span>Enfin, ma niece, il =
faut nous s=C3=A9parer, vous partirez demain, s'il vous pla=C3=AEt,<br =
class=3D"">
=
pour aller trouver votre pere; j=E2=80=99ai bien voulu me charger =
du soin de vous<br class=3D"">
=
l'apprendre, de crainte que mon mari ne vous le d=C3=AEt avec =
plus d'aigreur.<span style=3D"color: #021da7" =
class=3D""></p></span><br class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></sp></span><br class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><sp</span><span style=3D"color: =
#f9975e" class=3D""> who</span><span style=3D"color: #ff9450" =
class=3D"">=3D</span><span style=3D"color: #ab4500" =
class=3D"">"Cidalise"</span><span style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> =
xml:id</span><span style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span =
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"III_4_2"</span><span style=3D"color: =
#021da7" class=3D"">></span><br class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><speaker></span>CIDALISE<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><pc></span>.<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></pc></speaker></span><br =
class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><p></span>Je re=C3=A7ois tous =
les jours de ma vie, Madame, de nouvelles marques de vos bont=C3=A9s;<br =
class=3D"">
=
mais, Madame, voudriez-vous bien joindre une gr=C3=A2ce =C3=A0 =
toutes les obligations que<br class=3D"">
=
je vous ai?<span style=3D"color: #021da7" =
class=3D""></p></span><br class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></sp></span><br class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><sp</span><span style=3D"color: =
#f9975e" class=3D""> who</span><span style=3D"color: #ff9450" =
class=3D"">=3D</span><span style=3D"color: #ab4500" =
class=3D"">"Cephise"</span><span style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> =
xml:id</span><span style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span =
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"III_4_3"</span><span style=3D"color: =
#021da7" class=3D"">></span><br class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><speaker></span>CEPHISE<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><pc></span>.<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></pc></speaker></span><br =
class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><p></span>Si c'est quelque =
chose qui d=C3=A9pende de moi, ma niece.<span style=3D"color: #021da7" =
class=3D""></p></span><br class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></sp></span><br class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><sp</span><span style=3D"color: =
#f9975e" class=3D""> who</span><span style=3D"color: #ff9450" =
class=3D"">=3D</span><span style=3D"color: #ab4500" =
class=3D"">"Cidalise"</span><span style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> =
xml:id</span><span style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span =
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"III_4_4"</span><span style=3D"color: =
#021da7" class=3D"">></span><br class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><speaker></span>CIDALISE<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><pc></span>.<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></pc></speaker></span><br =
class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><p></span>La chose vous sera =
facile, Madame. <span style=3D"color: #021da7" =
class=3D""></p></span><br class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></sp></span><br class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><sp</span><span style=3D"color: =
#f9975e" class=3D""> who</span><span style=3D"color: #ff9450" =
class=3D"">=3D</span><span style=3D"color: #ab4500" =
class=3D"">"Cephise"</span><span style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> =
xml:id</span><span style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span =
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"III_4_5"</span><span style=3D"color: =
#021da7" class=3D"">></span><br class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><speaker></span>CEPHISE<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><pc></span>.<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></pc></speaker></span><br =
class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><p></span> Ne me priez point =
surtout, de parler =C3=A0 mon mari pour vous.<span style=3D"color: =
#021da7" class=3D""></p></span><br class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></sp></span><br class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><sp</span><span style=3D"color: =
#f9975e" class=3D""> who</span><span style=3D"color: #ff9450" =
class=3D"">=3D</span><span style=3D"color: #ab4500" =
class=3D"">"Cidalise"</span><span style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> =
xml:id</span><span style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span =
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"III_4_6"</span><span style=3D"color: =
#021da7" class=3D"">></span><br class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><speaker></span>CIDALISE<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><pc></span>.<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></pc></speaker></span><br =
class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><p></span>Non, Madame.<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></p></span><br class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></sp></span><br class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><sp</span><span style=3D"color: =
#f9975e" class=3D""> who</span><span style=3D"color: #ff9450" =
class=3D"">=3D</span><span style=3D"color: #ab4500" =
class=3D"">"Cephise"</span><span style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> =
xml:id</span><span style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span =
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"III_4_7"</span><span style=3D"color: =
#021da7" class=3D"">></span><br class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><speaker></span>CEPHISE<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><pc></span>.<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></pc></speaker></span><br =
class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><p></span>Cela seroit =
inutile.<span style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></p></span><br =
class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></sp></span><br class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><sp</span><span style=3D"color: =
#f9975e" class=3D""> who</span><span style=3D"color: #ff9450" =
class=3D"">=3D</span><span style=3D"color: #ab4500" =
class=3D"">"Cidalise"</span><span style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> =
xml:id</span><span style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span =
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"III_4_8"</span><span style=3D"color: =
#021da7" class=3D"">></span><br class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><speaker></span>CIDALISE<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><pc></span>.<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></pc></speaker></span><br =
class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><p></span>J'en suis =
persuad=C3=A9e, Madame.<span style=3D"color: #021da7" =
class=3D""></p></span><br class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></sp></span><br class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><sp</span><span style=3D"color: =
#f9975e" class=3D""> who</span><span style=3D"color: #ff9450" =
class=3D"">=3D</span><span style=3D"color: #ab4500" =
class=3D"">"Cephise"</span><span style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> =
xml:id</span><span style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span =
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"III_4_9"</span><span style=3D"color: =
#021da7" class=3D"">></span><br class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><speaker></span>CEPHISE<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><pc></span>.<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></pc></speaker></span><br =
class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><p></span>Il ne veut point =
souffrir que vous soyez davantage chez lui.<span style=3D"color: =
#021da7" class=3D""></p></span><br class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></sp></span><br class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><sp</span><span style=3D"color: =
#f9975e" class=3D""> who</span><span style=3D"color: #ff9450" =
class=3D"">=3D</span><span style=3D"color: #ab4500" =
class=3D"">"Cidalise"</span><span style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> =
xml:id</span><span style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span =
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"III_4_10"</span><span style=3D"color:=
#021da7" class=3D"">></span><br class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><speaker></span>CIDALISE<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><pc></span>.<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></pc></speaker></span><br =
class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><p></span>Je ne veux point y =
demeurer malgr=C3=A9 lui, ni malgr=C3=A9 vous, Madame.<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></p></span><br class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></sp></span><br class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><sp</span><span style=3D"color: =
#f9975e" class=3D""> who</span><span style=3D"color: #ff9450" =
class=3D"">=3D</span><span style=3D"color: #ab4500" =
class=3D"">"Cephise"</span><span style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> =
xml:id</span><span style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span =
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"III_4_11"</span><span style=3D"color:=
#021da7" class=3D"">></span><br class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><speaker></span>CEPHISE<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><pc></span>.<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></pc></speaker></span><br =
class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><p></span>Que voulez-vous donc =
que je fasse?<span style=3D"color: #021da7" =
class=3D""></p></span><br class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></sp></span><br class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><sp</span><span style=3D"color: =
#f9975e" class=3D""> who</span><span style=3D"color: #ff9450" =
class=3D"">=3D</span><span style=3D"color: #ab4500" =
class=3D"">"Cidalise"</span><span style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> =
xml:id</span><span style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span =
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"III_4_12"</span><span style=3D"color:=
#021da7" class=3D"">></span><br class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><speaker></span>CIDALISE<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><pc></span>.<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></pc></speaker></span><br =
class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><p></span>Permettre que je =
puisse parler =C3=A0 mon oncle avant que de le quitter.<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></p></span><br class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></sp></span><br class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><sp</span><span style=3D"color: =
#f9975e" class=3D""> who</span><span style=3D"color: #ff9450" =
class=3D"">=3D</span><span style=3D"color: #ab4500" =
class=3D"">"Cephise"</span><span style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> =
xml:id</span><span style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span =
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"III_4_13"</span><span style=3D"color:=
#021da7" class=3D"">></span><br class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><speaker></span>CEPHISE<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><pc></span>.<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></pc></speaker></span><br =
class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><p></span>Non, ma niece, je ne =
vous le conseille pas, il est dans un trop grand<br class=3D"">
=
emportement contre vous.<span style=3D"color: #021da7" =
class=3D""></p></span><br class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></sp></span><br class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><sp</span><span style=3D"color: =
#f9975e" class=3D""> who</span><span style=3D"color: #ff9450" =
class=3D"">=3D</span><span style=3D"color: #ab4500" =
class=3D"">"Cidalise"</span><span style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> =
xml:id</span><span style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span =
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"III_4_14"</span><span style=3D"color:=
#021da7" class=3D"">></span><br class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><speaker></span>CIDALISE<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><pc></span>.<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></pc></speaker></span><br =
class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><p></span>Mais, au moins, ne =
puis-je savoir les crimes dont on m'accuse?<span style=3D"color: =
#021da7" class=3D""></p></span><br class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></sp></span><br class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><sp</span><span style=3D"color: =
#f9975e" class=3D""> who</span><span style=3D"color: #ff9450" =
class=3D"">=3D</span><span style=3D"color: #ab4500" =
class=3D"">"Cephise"</span><span style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> =
xml:id</span><span style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span =
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"III_4_15"</span><span style=3D"color:=
#021da7" class=3D"">></span><br class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><speaker></span>CEPHISE<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><pc></span>.<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></pc></speaker></span><br =
class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><p></span>Eh, mon Dieu, ma =
niece, rendez-vous un peu de justice! Pour moi, je vous crois<br =
class=3D"">
=
la plus innocente personne du monde; mais en v=C3=A9rit=C3=A9 les =
apparences sont<br class=3D"">
=
terriblement contre vous.<span style=3D"color: #021da7" =
class=3D""></p></span><br class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></sp></span><br class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><sp</span><span style=3D"color: =
#f9975e" class=3D""> who</span><span style=3D"color: #ff9450" =
class=3D"">=3D</span><span style=3D"color: #ab4500" =
class=3D"">"Cidalise"</span><span style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> =
xml:id</span><span style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span =
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"III_4_16"</span><span style=3D"color:=
#021da7" class=3D"">></span><br class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><speaker></span>CIDALISE<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><pc></span>.<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></pc></speaker></span><br =
class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><p></span>Il est ais=C3=A9 =
d'empoisonner les choses les plus innocentes: mais cependant...<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></p></span><br class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></sp></span><br class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><join</span><span style=3D"color: =
#f9975e" class=3D""> target</span><span style=3D"color: #ff9450" =
class=3D"">=3D</span><span style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"#III_4_1 =
#III_4_2 #III_4_3 #III_4_4 #III_4_5 #III_4_6 #III_4_7 #III_4_8 #III_4_9 =
#III_4_10"</span><span style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> =
ana</span><span style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span =
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"#Affront_Rivales"</span><span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D"">/></span><br class=3D"">
<span =
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><sp</span><span style=3D"color: =
#f9975e" class=3D""> who</span><span style=3D"color: #ff9450" =
class=3D"">=3D</span><span style=3D"color: #ab4500" =
class=3D"">"Cephise"</span><span style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> =
xml:id</span><span style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span =
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"III_4_17"</span><span style=3D"color:=
#021da7" class=3D"">></span></div></div><div class=3D"">(the scene =
continus after this, but the conversatio moves to other =
topics).</div></div></div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">
</div>
<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">Le 5 mai 2017 =C3=A0 13:01, James Cummings <<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" =
class=3D"">[email protected]</a>> a =C3=A9crit :</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><br class=3D"">Hi =
Ioana,<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">I might be misunderstanding without =
a clear example, but if the entirety of the speech is relating to a =
particular interpretation then why not use the @ana attribute on the =
speech itself? Then where the interpretation stops or changes =
mid-speech then mark it using <seg> inside the paragraph or verse =
lines. <seg> is definitely only intended for phrase-level segments =
of text. (<ab> is the equivalent for paragraph-like =
anonymous blocks.)<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><sp =
ana=3D"#confrontation"><br class=3D""><p>Some text</p><br =
class=3D""></sp><br class=3D""><sp ana=3D"#confrontation"><br =
class=3D""><l>Some verse continuing the confrontation</l><br =
class=3D""></sp><br class=3D""><sp><br =
class=3D""><p><seg ana=3D"#confrontation">Here some =
confrontation</seg> <seg ana=3D"#somethingElse">a different =
segment of interpretation</seg></p><br =
class=3D""></sp><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">These can indeed =
point to <interp> elements as you note, those for some forms of =
more taxonomical interpretation there are those who use @ana to point to =
a hierarchical <taxonomy> of many <category> and sub =
<category> elements.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">But maybe I've =
misunderstood.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Best wishes,<br =
class=3D"">James<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">On 05/05/17 =
12:52, Ioana Galleron wrote:<br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D"">Dear all,<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">I am trying to encode =
some topical elements in several plays, and I thought about using the =
couple of tags <seg @ana> and <interp>, as recommended by =
the guidelines; I think I can define a quite stable taxonomy of =
elements, which I could use to mark up several plays, and several =
occurrences of some motifs in the same play - hence the choice of =
<interp> rather than simply resorting to the use of =
<span>.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">(An example of such elements, =
for those interested and/ or for clarity sake: =C2=AB recognition =C2=BB; =
=C2=AB husband and wife quarreling =C2=BB; =C2=AB confrontation of rival =
women =C2=BB etc.; once again, these are widely used infra-scenes in the =
French plays of 17th and 18th century I am studying, so a common =
typology can be drafted of, and used to consistenly mark up several =
plays, by different authors).<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Unfortunately, =
<seg> does not seem to accept <sp> as a child, nor =
<sp> <seg>. Actually, <seg> is accepted only inside =
<p> or <l> (some of my plays are in prose, other in =
verses).<br class=3D"">I can work around it by using the <join> =
element, pointing to the xml:id of each speech, but this is a cumbersome =
task when the topical element I want to mark runs over dozen of speeches =
(but still, does not cover the entire scene). It would be much easier if =
I could start a <seg> before the appropriate <sp> and end it =
after the last one.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">What am I not doing =
correctly? What else could I use to label chunks of text (of =
various lengths) after a coherent list of classes?<br class=3D"">Best =
regards,<br class=3D"">Ioana Galleron<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></blockquote><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">-- <br class=3D"">Dr=
James Cummings, <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" =
class=3D"">[email protected]</a><br class=3D"">Academic IT =
Services, University of Oxford<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div></blockquote></div><br class=3D""></div></body></html>=
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