Re: <sp> dans <seg>
James Cummings <[email protected]> Fri, 5 May 2017 13:28:07 +0100
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<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">Hi Ioana,<br>
<br>
Another approach might be to use <milestone/> to indicate
the points at which things change, but I see the attraction for
using <join/> as you are, and it can point to @xml:id's at
any level. In this case they are all a set run of speeches which
any solution would probably work but does it ever happen that one
or two speeches break off and are not part of this set of
confrontations in the middle?=C2=A0 If so then a pointing system li=
ke
<join/> makes a lot of sense.=C2=A0 The output from a query f=
or
all the contiguous confrontations would be possible in any of the
solutions I think. Asking for the xml:ids of all speeches between
two milestones; asking for all the speeches that contain
@ana=3D'#Affront_Rivales' where either the next or previous speech
also did; or all the targets from a join element. All possible,
but depending on the technologies chosen some might be easier than
others. (And the join solution is probably easiest from a
processing point of view.)<br>
<br>
Oh, and for the record I wouldn't hesitate to post encoding
examples in French (or Latin, or Sumerian, or Japanese, or even
Halkomelem if I had any) the TEI is international and so our
discussions concerning text on this list should be.=C2=A0 My poor
French happens to be good enough to read this scene (thanks!) and
there are lots of native and fluent French speakers on the list.=C2=
=A0
(And indeed, in this case it doesn't really matter so much _what_
the text says as how you are choosing to encode it.)=C2=A0 I do
recognise that asking the questions in English here will get more
answers than asking in French, but I'd certainly not want to
dissuade people from also asking questions in other languages if
they wish.<br>
<br>
Cordialement,<br>
<br>
-James<br>
<br>
<br>
On 05/05/17 13:09, Ioana Galleron wrote:<br>
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Hi James,
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
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<div class=3D"">Thanks for answering fast!</div>
<div class=3D"">I thought about it, but this means, in practice,
that when I will seek for =C2=AB=C2=A0confrontations=C2=A0=C2=BB =
in my plays I=E2=80=99ll
actually get as many as <sp> marked up, while in fact it
is a series of <sp> which constitutes one confrontation;
the limits of this topical scene will be more difficult to spot
- hence the use of <join>=E2=80=A6</div>
<div class=3D"">I copy and paste a bit of a scene thus marked up,
but since it is in French, I hesitated to do it the first time
round.</div>
<div class=3D"">Best,</div>
<div class=3D"">
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<div class=3D"">Ioana=C2=A0</div>
<div class=3D"">
<div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; font-family:
Helvetica;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: #021da7"
class=3D""><interp</span><span style=3D"color:
#f9975e" class=3D""> xml:id</span><span style=3D"colo=
r:
#ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span style=3D"color:
#ab4500" class=3D"">"Affront_Rivales"</span><span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D"">></span>Afrron=
tement
de femmes rivales, de caract=C3=A8re oppos=C3=A9.<span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></interp></=
span></div>
</div>
<div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; font-family:
Helvetica;" class=3D"">
<div style=3D"margin: 0px;" class=3D""><span style=3D"col=
or:
#021da7" class=3D""><div</span><span style=3D"colo=
r:
#f9975e" class=3D""> type</span><span style=3D"color:
#ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span style=3D"color:
#ab4500" class=3D"">"scene"</span><span style=3D"colo=
r:
#f9975e" class=3D""> n</span><span style=3D"color:
#ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span style=3D"color:
#ab4500" class=3D"">"4"</span><span style=3D"color:
#f9975e" class=3D""> xml:id</span><span style=3D"colo=
r:
#ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span style=3D"color:
#ab4500" class=3D"">"III_4"</span><span style=3D"colo=
r:
#021da7" class=3D"">></span><br class=3D"">
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
<span style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><head></span>SCENE
IV<span style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></head&g=
t;</span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
<span style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><stage></span>CEPHISE,
CIDALISE<span style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></=
stage></span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
<span style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><sp</span><span
style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> who</span><span
style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"Cephise"</span><=
span
style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> xml:id</span><sp=
an
style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"III_4_1"</span><=
span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D"">></span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
=C2=A0 <span style=3D"color: #021da7"
class=3D""><speaker></span>CEPHISE<span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><pc></span>=
.<span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></pc></s=
peaker></span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
=C2=A0 <span style=3D"color: #021da7"
class=3D""><p></span>Enfin, ma niece, il faut
nous s=C3=A9parer, vous partirez demain, s'il vous pla=C3=
=AEt,<br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 pour aller trouver votre pere;
j=E2=80=99ai bien voulu me charger du soin de vous<br c=
lass=3D"">
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 l'apprendre, de crainte que mon
mari ne vous le d=C3=AEt avec plus d'aigreur.<span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></p></span>=
<br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
<span style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></sp></span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
<span style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><sp</span><span
style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> who</span><span
style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"Cidalise"</span>=
<span
style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> xml:id</span><sp=
an
style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"III_4_2"</span><=
span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D"">></span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
=C2=A0 <span style=3D"color: #021da7"
class=3D""><speaker></span>CIDALISE<span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><pc></span>=
.<span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></pc></s=
peaker></span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
=C2=A0 <span style=3D"color: #021da7"
class=3D""><p></span>Je re=C3=A7ois tous les jo=
urs de
ma vie, Madame, de nouvelles marques de vos bont=C3=A9s=
;<br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 mais, Madame, voudriez-vous bien
joindre une gr=C3=A2ce =C3=A0 toutes les obligations qu=
e<br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 je vous ai?<span style=3D"color:
#021da7" class=3D""></p></span><br class=3D"">
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
<span style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></sp></span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
<span style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><sp</span><span
style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> who</span><span
style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"Cephise"</span><=
span
style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> xml:id</span><sp=
an
style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"III_4_3"</span><=
span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D"">></span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
=C2=A0 <span style=3D"color: #021da7"
class=3D""><speaker></span>CEPHISE<span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><pc></span>=
.<span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></pc></s=
peaker></span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
=C2=A0 <span style=3D"color: #021da7"
class=3D""><p></span>Si c'est quelque chose qui
d=C3=A9pende de moi, ma niece.<span style=3D"color: #02=
1da7"
class=3D""></p></span><br class=3D"">
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
<span style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></sp></span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
<span style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><sp</span><span
style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> who</span><span
style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"Cidalise"</span>=
<span
style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> xml:id</span><sp=
an
style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"III_4_4"</span><=
span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D"">></span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
=C2=A0 <span style=3D"color: #021da7"
class=3D""><speaker></span>CIDALISE<span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><pc></span>=
.<span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></pc></s=
peaker></span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
=C2=A0 <span style=3D"color: #021da7"
class=3D""><p></span>La chose vous sera facile,
Madame. <span style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></=
p></span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
<span style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></sp></span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
<span style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><sp</span><span
style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> who</span><span
style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"Cephise"</span><=
span
style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> xml:id</span><sp=
an
style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"III_4_5"</span><=
span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D"">></span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
=C2=A0 <span style=3D"color: #021da7"
class=3D""><speaker></span>CEPHISE<span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><pc></span>=
.<span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></pc></s=
peaker></span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
=C2=A0 <span style=3D"color: #021da7"
class=3D""><p></span> Ne me priez point surtout=
,
de parler =C3=A0 mon mari pour vous.<span style=3D"colo=
r:
#021da7" class=3D""></p></span><br class=3D"">
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
<span style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></sp></span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
<span style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><sp</span><span
style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> who</span><span
style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"Cidalise"</span>=
<span
style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> xml:id</span><sp=
an
style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"III_4_6"</span><=
span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D"">></span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
=C2=A0 <span style=3D"color: #021da7"
class=3D""><speaker></span>CIDALISE<span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><pc></span>=
.<span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></pc></s=
peaker></span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
=C2=A0 <span style=3D"color: #021da7"
class=3D""><p></span>Non, Madame.<span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></p></span>=
<br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
<span style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></sp></span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
<span style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><sp</span><span
style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> who</span><span
style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"Cephise"</span><=
span
style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> xml:id</span><sp=
an
style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"III_4_7"</span><=
span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D"">></span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
=C2=A0 <span style=3D"color: #021da7"
class=3D""><speaker></span>CEPHISE<span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><pc></span>=
.<span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></pc></s=
peaker></span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
=C2=A0 <span style=3D"color: #021da7"
class=3D""><p></span>Cela seroit inutile.<span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></p></span>=
<br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
<span style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></sp></span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
<span style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><sp</span><span
style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> who</span><span
style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"Cidalise"</span>=
<span
style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> xml:id</span><sp=
an
style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"III_4_8"</span><=
span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D"">></span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
=C2=A0 <span style=3D"color: #021da7"
class=3D""><speaker></span>CIDALISE<span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><pc></span>=
.<span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></pc></s=
peaker></span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
=C2=A0 <span style=3D"color: #021da7"
class=3D""><p></span>J'en suis persuad=C3=A9e,
Madame.<span style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></p=
></span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
<span style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></sp></span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
<span style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><sp</span><span
style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> who</span><span
style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"Cephise"</span><=
span
style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> xml:id</span><sp=
an
style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"III_4_9"</span><=
span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D"">></span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
=C2=A0 <span style=3D"color: #021da7"
class=3D""><speaker></span>CEPHISE<span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><pc></span>=
.<span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></pc></s=
peaker></span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
=C2=A0 <span style=3D"color: #021da7"
class=3D""><p></span>Il ne veut point souffrir
que vous soyez davantage chez lui.<span style=3D"color:
#021da7" class=3D""></p></span><br class=3D"">
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
<span style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></sp></span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
<span style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><sp</span><span
style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> who</span><span
style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"Cidalise"</span>=
<span
style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> xml:id</span><sp=
an
style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"III_4_10"</span>=
<span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D"">></span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
=C2=A0 <span style=3D"color: #021da7"
class=3D""><speaker></span>CIDALISE<span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><pc></span>=
.<span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></pc></s=
peaker></span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
=C2=A0 <span style=3D"color: #021da7"
class=3D""><p></span>Je ne veux point y demeure=
r
malgr=C3=A9 lui, ni malgr=C3=A9 vous, Madame.<span styl=
e=3D"color:
#021da7" class=3D""></p></span><br class=3D"">
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
<span style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></sp></span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
<span style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><sp</span><span
style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> who</span><span
style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"Cephise"</span><=
span
style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> xml:id</span><sp=
an
style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"III_4_11"</span>=
<span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D"">></span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
=C2=A0 <span style=3D"color: #021da7"
class=3D""><speaker></span>CEPHISE<span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><pc></span>=
.<span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></pc></s=
peaker></span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
=C2=A0 <span style=3D"color: #021da7"
class=3D""><p></span>Que voulez-vous donc que j=
e
fasse?<span style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></p&=
gt;</span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
<span style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></sp></span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
<span style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><sp</span><span
style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> who</span><span
style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"Cidalise"</span>=
<span
style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> xml:id</span><sp=
an
style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"III_4_12"</span>=
<span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D"">></span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
=C2=A0 <span style=3D"color: #021da7"
class=3D""><speaker></span>CIDALISE<span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><pc></span>=
.<span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></pc></s=
peaker></span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
=C2=A0 <span style=3D"color: #021da7"
class=3D""><p></span>Permettre que je puisse
parler =C3=A0 mon oncle avant que de le quitter.<span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></p></span>=
<br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
<span style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></sp></span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
<span style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><sp</span><span
style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> who</span><span
style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"Cephise"</span><=
span
style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> xml:id</span><sp=
an
style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"III_4_13"</span>=
<span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D"">></span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
=C2=A0 <span style=3D"color: #021da7"
class=3D""><speaker></span>CEPHISE<span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><pc></span>=
.<span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></pc></s=
peaker></span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
=C2=A0 <span style=3D"color: #021da7"
class=3D""><p></span>Non, ma niece, je ne vous
le conseille pas, il est dans un trop grand<br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 emportement contre vous.<span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></p></span>=
<br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
<span style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></sp></span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
<span style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><sp</span><span
style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> who</span><span
style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"Cidalise"</span>=
<span
style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> xml:id</span><sp=
an
style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"III_4_14"</span>=
<span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D"">></span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
=C2=A0 <span style=3D"color: #021da7"
class=3D""><speaker></span>CIDALISE<span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><pc></span>=
.<span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></pc></s=
peaker></span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
=C2=A0 <span style=3D"color: #021da7"
class=3D""><p></span>Mais, au moins, ne puis-je
savoir les crimes dont on m'accuse?<span style=3D"color=
:
#021da7" class=3D""></p></span><br class=3D"">
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
<span style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></sp></span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
<span style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><sp</span><span
style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> who</span><span
style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"Cephise"</span><=
span
style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> xml:id</span><sp=
an
style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"III_4_15"</span>=
<span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D"">></span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
=C2=A0 <span style=3D"color: #021da7"
class=3D""><speaker></span>CEPHISE<span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><pc></span>=
.<span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></pc></s=
peaker></span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
=C2=A0 <span style=3D"color: #021da7"
class=3D""><p></span>Eh, mon Dieu, ma niece,
rendez-vous un peu de justice! Pour moi, je vous crois<=
br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 la plus innocente personne du
monde; mais en v=C3=A9rit=C3=A9 les apparences sont<br =
class=3D"">
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 terriblement contre vous.<span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></p></span>=
<br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
<span style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></sp></span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
<span style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><sp</span><span
style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> who</span><span
style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"Cidalise"</span>=
<span
style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> xml:id</span><sp=
an
style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"III_4_16"</span>=
<span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D"">></span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
=C2=A0 <span style=3D"color: #021da7"
class=3D""><speaker></span>CIDALISE<span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><pc></span>=
.<span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></pc></s=
peaker></span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
=C2=A0 <span style=3D"color: #021da7"
class=3D""><p></span>Il est ais=C3=A9 d'empoiso=
nner
les choses les plus innocentes: mais cependant...<span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></p></span>=
<br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
<span style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""></sp></span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
<span style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><join</span><span
style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> target</span><sp=
an
style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"#III_4_1 #III_4_=
2
#III_4_3 #III_4_4 #III_4_5 #III_4_6 #III_4_7
#III_4_8 #III_4_9 #III_4_10"</span><span
style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> ana</span><span
style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"#Affront_Rivales=
"</span><span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D"">/></span><br
class=3D"">
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
<span style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D""><sp</span><span
style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> who</span><span
style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"Cephise"</span><=
span
style=3D"color: #f9975e" class=3D""> xml:id</span><sp=
an
style=3D"color: #ff9450" class=3D"">=3D</span><span
style=3D"color: #ab4500" class=3D"">"III_4_17"</span>=
<span
style=3D"color: #021da7" class=3D"">></span></div>
</div>
<div class=3D"">(the scene continus after this, but the
conversatio moves to other topics).</div>
</div>
</div>
<br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">
<br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">
</div>
<br class=3D"">
<div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">Le 5 mai 2017 =C3=A0 13:01, James Cummings &l=
t;<a
moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" class=3D"">Jam=
[email protected]</a>>
a =C3=A9crit :</div>
<br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
Hi Ioana,<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
I might be misunderstanding without a clear example, but
if the entirety of the speech is relating to a particular
interpretation then why not use the @ana attribute on the
speech itself? =C2=A0Then where the interpretation stops or
changes mid-speech then mark it using <seg> inside
the paragraph or verse lines. <seg> is definitely
only intended for phrase-level segments of text.
=C2=A0(<ab> is the equivalent for paragraph-like
anonymous blocks.)<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
<sp ana=3D"#confrontation"><br class=3D"">
<p>Some text</p><br class=3D"">
</sp><br class=3D"">
<sp ana=3D"#confrontation"><br class=3D"">
<l>Some verse continuing the confrontation</l><=
br
class=3D"">
</sp><br class=3D"">
<sp><br class=3D"">
<p><seg ana=3D"#confrontation">Here some
confrontation</seg> <seg
ana=3D"#somethingElse">a different segment of
interpretation</seg></p><br class=3D"">
</sp><br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
These can indeed point to <interp> elements as you
note, those for some forms of more taxonomical
interpretation there are those who use @ana to point to a
hierarchical <taxonomy> of many <category> and
sub <category> elements.<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
But maybe I've misunderstood.<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Best wishes,<br class=3D"">
James<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
On 05/05/17 12:52, Ioana Galleron wrote:<br class=3D"">
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">Dear all,<br class=3D"=
">
<br class=3D"">
I am trying to encode some topical elements in several
plays, and I thought about using the couple of tags
<seg @ana> and <interp>, as recommended by
the guidelines; I think I can define a quite stable
taxonomy of elements, which I could use to mark up
several plays, and several occurrences of some motifs in
the same play - hence the choice of <interp>
rather than simply resorting to the use of <span>.<=
br
class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
(An example of such elements, for those interested and/
or for clarity sake: =C2=AB recognition =C2=BB; =C2=AB hu=
sband and wife
quarreling =C2=BB; =C2=AB confrontation of rival women =C2=
=BB etc.;
once again, these are widely used infra-scenes in the
French plays of 17th and 18th century I am studying, so
a common typology can be drafted of, and used to
consistenly mark up several plays, by different
authors).<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Unfortunately, <seg> does not seem to accept
<sp> as a child, nor <sp> <seg>.
Actually, <seg> is accepted only inside <p>
or <l> (some of my plays are in prose, other in
verses).<br class=3D"">
I can work around it by using the <join> element,
pointing to the xml:id of each speech, but this is a
cumbersome task when the topical element I want to mark
runs over dozen of speeches (but still, does not cover
the entire scene). It would be much easier if I could
start a <seg> before the appropriate <sp>
and end it after the last one.<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
What am I not doing correctly? =C2=A0What else could I us=
e to
label chunks of text (of various lengths) after a
coherent list of classes?<br class=3D"">
Best regards,<br class=3D"">
Ioana Galleron<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
</blockquote>
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
-- <br class=3D"">
Dr James Cummings, <a moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" class=3D"">Jam=
[email protected]</a><br
class=3D"">
Academic IT Services, University of Oxford<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
<br class=3D"">
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
<p><br>
</p>
<pre class=3D"moz-signature" cols=3D"65">--=20
Dr James Cummings, <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:J=
[email protected]">[email protected]</a>=20
Academic IT Services, University of Oxford
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