Re: AW: [RESULT][VOTE] Retire 2.1/3.0 and keep 2.x

Cédric Damioli <[email protected]> Fri, 12 Jan 2024 20:48:43 +0100
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Why should retired branches be deleted ?
Shouldn't they instead be somehow put in read-only state but kept 
available for anyone needing them ?

My 2 cents,
Cédric

Le 09/01/2024 à 14:40, Christofer Dutz a écrit :
>
> So, I guess the deletion of the “retired” branches should probably be 
> done by a PMC member.
>
> I’m happy to help with migrating 2.3.x to git as soon as the old stuff 
> is buried, if the project wants this to happen.
>
> Chris
>
> *Von: *Christofer Dutz <[email protected]>
> *Datum: *Montag, 18. Dezember 2023 um 20:25
> *An: *[email protected] <[email protected]>
> *Betreff: *AW: [RESULT][VOTE] Retire 2.1/3.0 and keep 2.x
>
> How about a Mexican style funeral party at Community Over Code? ;-)
>
> Cocoon 2.1 was such a big part of my early IT carreer …
>
> Chris
>
> *Von: *Cédric Damioli <[email protected]>
> *Datum: *Montag, 18. Dezember 2023 um 19:40
> *An: *[email protected] <[email protected]>
> *Betreff: *[RESULT][VOTE] Retire 2.1/3.0 and keep 2.x
>
> The vote is now over and successful with 4 binding +1 and no -1 :
>
>   * Francesco Chicchiriccò
>   * Peter Hunsberger
>   * Jörg Heinicke
>   * Cédric Damioli
>
> The PMC is now tasked to do what is needed to effectively retire 2.1/3.0.
>
> As discussed before, it's now time for volunteers to step up to do 
> whatever is needed to actively maintain a now-refocused Cocoon project 
> (migration to Git, dependencies upgrades, ...).
>
> Farewell, good old 2.1 :)
>
> Regards,
> Cédric
>
> Le 13/12/2023 à 15:00, Cédric Damioli a écrit :
>
>     Hi,
>
>     Following and according to last weeks' discussions, it seems that
>     the general consensus would be to retire 2.1 (too old to be
>     maintained) and 3.0 (too alpha to be maintained), and keep 2.x
>     around for now.
>
>     If I try to summarize what have been said, refocusing on a single
>     product would give the project a chance to 1) provide a clear
>     upgrade path to existing 2.1 users and 2) gather renewed interest.
>     For the still many existing 2.1 users, this would give a clear
>     signal that it's time to consider other options.
>
>     It's now time to formally vote:
>
>     [ ] +1 accept (retire and officially stop the maintenance of
>     2.1/3.0 branches, only keeping 2.x)
>     [ ] -1 reject (explanation required)
>
>     A minimum of 3 binding +1 votes and more binding +1 than binding
>     -1 are required to pass.
>     This vote will be open for at least 72 hours.
>
>     Best regards,
>     Cédric
>

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    Why should retired branches be deleted ?<br>
    Shouldn't they instead be somehow put in read-only state but kept
    available for anyone needing them ?<br>
    <br>
    My 2 cents,<br>
    Cédric<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 09/01/2024 à 14:40, Christofer Dutz
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">So, I guess the deletion of the “retired”
            branches should probably be done by a PMC member.
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">I’m happy to help with migrating 2.3.x to git
            as soon as the old stuff is buried, if the project wants
            this to happen.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                  Dutz <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email protected]">&lt;[email protected]&gt;</a><br>
                  <b>Datum: </b>Montag, 18. Dezember 2023 um 20:25<br>
                  <b>An: </b><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>
                  <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email protected]">&lt;[email protected]&gt;</a><br>
                  <b>Betreff: </b>AW: [RESULT][VOTE] Retire 2.1/3.0 and
                  keep 2.x<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"
                  lang="EN-US">How about a Mexican style funeral party
                  at Community Over Code? ;-)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"
                  lang="EN-US">Cocoon 2.1 was such a big part of my
                  early IT carreer …
                </span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"
                  lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"
                  lang="EN-US">Chris</span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"
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                        </span></b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Cédric
                        Damioli <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email protected]">&lt;[email protected]&gt;</a><br>
                        <b>Datum: </b>Montag, 18. Dezember 2023 um
                        19:40<br>
                        <b>An: </b><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>
                        <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email protected]">&lt;[email protected]&gt;</a><br>
                        <b>Betreff: </b>[RESULT][VOTE] Retire 2.1/3.0
                        and keep 2.x</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                      style="font-size:11.0pt">The vote is now over and
                      successful with 4 binding +1 and no -1 :</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                      style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span
                        style="font-size:11.0pt">Francesco Chicchiriccò</span><o:p></o:p></li>
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                        style="font-size:11.0pt">Peter Hunsberger</span><o:p></o:p></li>
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                        style="font-size:11.0pt">Cédric Damioli
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                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                      style="font-size:11.0pt">The PMC is now tasked to
                      do what is needed to effectively retire 2.1/3.0.<br>
                      <br>
                      As discussed before, it's now time for volunteers
                      to step up to do whatever is needed to actively
                      maintain a now-refocused Cocoon project (migration
                      to Git, dependencies upgrades, ...).<br>
                      <br>
                      Farewell, good old 2.1 :)<br>
                      <br>
                      Regards,<br>
                      Cédric</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Le
                        13/12/2023 à 15:00, Cédric Damioli a écrit :</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                        style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi,<br>
                        <br>
                        Following and according to last weeks'
                        discussions, it seems that the general consensus
                        would be to retire 2.1 (too old to be
                        maintained) and 3.0 (too alpha to be
                        maintained), and keep 2.x around for now.<br>
                        <br>
                        If I try to summarize what have been said,
                        refocusing on a single product would give the
                        project a chance to 1) provide a clear upgrade
                        path to existing 2.1 users and 2) gather renewed
                        interest.<br>
                        For the still many existing 2.1 users, this
                        would give a clear signal that it's time to
                        consider other options.<br>
                        <br>
                        It's now time to formally vote:<br>
                        <br>
                        [ ] +1 accept (retire and officially stop the
                        maintenance of 2.1/3.0 branches, only keeping
                        2.x)<br>
                        [ ] -1 reject </span><span
                        style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1D1D1D"
                        lang="EN-US">(explanation required)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1D1D1D"
                        lang="EN-US">A minimum of 3 binding +1 votes and
                        more binding +1 than binding -1 are required to
                        pass.<br>
                        This vote will be open for at least 72 hours.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="font-variant-caps:normal;orphans:auto;text-align:start;widows:auto;word-spacing:0px">
                      <span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1D1D1D"
                        lang="EN-US">Best regards,<br>
                        Cédric</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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