Re: Is cocoon dead ?

Francesco,

I observe this list for years now (since I started using Cocon 2.1). And 
I recongnized some activities, especially from you. But since a couple 
of years I'm using a) a different technology (JSF) for my web pages and 
b) I'm waiting for Cocoon 3.0 to become ready. Even there are some 
acitivies, it seems to be a never ending story.

I guess it would be helpfull to schedule some dates for beta and 
release. If it is so much to do right now, maybe this version might be 
feature-reduced and some of the planned features will be postponed to a 
version 3.1? Otherwise I'm afraid this project is dead - even though 
there are some activities.

If your horse is dead, don't try to ride it anymore. Change the horse. 
(similar to Dakota saying)

Herzliche Grüße - Best Regards,
Michael Müller

Am 10.11.2012 14:00, schrieb Francesco Chicchiriccò:
> Hi all,
> I think e-mails like the one below are not helpful at all.
>
> First of all, even though most of critical aspects of our current
> situation are reported, some things are barely wrong:
>
>> down the same page you find the next most recent news is a year and a
>> half old
> Open your favorite browser at http://cocoon.apache.org/ and read that
> latest two news are dated July 2nd and March 3rd 2012
>
>> When people ask about C2.x (and the latest released version is 2.2) nobody wants to talk about it (except others desperate for information about some aspect of C2);
> Just browse http://cocoon.markmail.org and judge by yourself whether
> this is true or not.
>
>> There are no books on anything later than 2.1, which is about a decade old.
> Just point again your favorite browser to
> http://www.apache.org/dist/cocoon/ and you will see that Cocoon 2.1.11
> was released on Jan 14th 2008.
>
>> Perhaps 80% of the official documentation is either TBW or skeletal, and the only people who know the inside of Cocoon well enough to complete it keep asking others to do that.
> This is absolutely false for C2.X and only partially true for C3.
>
> Beware, I am not stating that the Cocoon status is healthy, new releases
> with bugfixes and new features are regularly made available and
> documentation is accurate and complete.
> I am only trying to look at the Cocoon project for what it is *today*: a
> project with:
>   * very few active committers
>   * almost no occasional contributors
>   * still a lot of interested people: most because they are running an
> ancient Cocoon version, few because they've heard of Cocoon only recently
>
> In my opinion, a dead project is a project in which no one is
> interested, and Cocoon is not (yet?) that far.
>
> Remembering that Cocoon - like as any other project at ASF - is
> exclusively made up by volunteer contribution, I'd rather start a
> [DISCUSS] thread to see what needs to be done and who is available to
> help instead of such acid and unproductive e-mails.
>
> WDYT?
>
> Regards.
>
> On 08/11/2012 15:10, Mark H. Wood wrote:
>> I'm not surprised at all.  Looking 3cm. down the same page you find
>> the next most recent news is a year and a half old.  When people ask
>> about C2.x (and the latest released version is 2.2) nobody wants to
>> talk about it (except others desperate for information about some
>> aspect of C2); one is told to use C3.  C3 has been alpha for perhaps
>> two years -- there is as yet no beta, let alone a release.  There are
>> no books on anything later than 2.1, which is about a decade old.
>> Perhaps 80% of the official documentation is either TBW or skeletal,
>> and the only people who know the inside of Cocoon well enough to
>> complete it keep asking others to do that.  Bugs with patches attached
>> languish for years.  Seemingly everyone using Cocoon is running a
>> unique local version with scads of patches that are passed around like
>> ancient lore.
>>
>> Why would anyone think Cocoon is dead?