Re: RE: The limits of XML mean the limits of my data world

Dimitre:

On 2022-05-30 11:29, Dimitre Novatchev wrote:
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> On Sun, May 29, 2022 at 11:13 PM Imsieke, Gerrit, le-tex 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
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>     You can express or represent (I regard both terms as synonymous
>     wrt the
>     current discussion) such an overlap in XML, see for example how the
>     Common Music Notation handles overlap in beams or slurs (search for
>     "overlap" on [1]). It's just that you cannot express it using
>     overlapping elements.
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>     [1] https://music-encoding.org/guidelines/v4/content/cmn.html
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> The fact is that no conductor in the world is using CMN, do they? :)

Quite the contrary. Almost all conductors use Common Music Notation, if 
they have a score at all. Because Common Music Notation is the term for 
'Just the "old-fashioned", non-xml-based musical scores ...'.

The link at [1] is to documentation of MEI (Music Encoding Initiative), 
an XML-based language for describing music scores in various notations, 
including Common Music Notation. (There are other notations for music 
scores, such tablatures for guitars, neumes for medieval chant, etc.)

I might re-word Gerrit's comment as "see for example how MEI handles the 
case when Common Music Notation beams or slurs overlap measure 
boundaries". It is interesting because MEI has a fundamental structure, 
the <measure> element, which corresponds to a CMN measure. CMN beams and 
slurs can cross measure boundaries. MEI has a way to represent the 
initial end of a beam or slur within one <measure> element, and final 
end of that beam or slur within a later <measure> element. I believe 
that is the "overlap" to which Gerrit was referring.

> If "XML is one's language" and they have to conduct an orchestra, what 
> are the chances they will use [MEI] and not the [CMN, i.e.] 
> "old-fashioned", non-xml-based musical scores ?
> Does even a single such example exist?

Of course not. For the same reason that I would rather read a novel as 
formatted text rather than XML-based DocBook[2] source representation of 
the novel. It is the old story of it being valuable to represent content 
in a markup language for authoring and workflow, and to render it into a 
different representation for human consumption.

[2] https://docbook.org/

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