Re: RE: The limits of XML mean the limits of my data world

Jim

> Quite the contrary. Almost all conductors use Common Music Notation, if
they have a score at all. Because Common Music Notation is the term for
'Just the "old-fashioned", non-xml-based musical scores ...'.

Thanks for the correction. I obviously am not a musician so please, bear
with any terminological inaccuracies from my side.

I am thankful that it is still clear what I was trying to say.

Thanks,
Dimitre

On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 2:10 PM Jim DeLaHunt <[email protected]> wrote:

> Dimitre:
> On 2022-05-30 11:29, Dimitre Novatchev wrote:
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 29, 2022 at 11:13 PM Imsieke, Gerrit, le-tex <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> You can express or represent (I regard both terms as synonymous wrt the
>> current discussion) such an overlap in XML, see for example how the
>> Common Music Notation handles overlap in beams or slurs (search for
>> "overlap" on [1]). It's just that you cannot express it using
>> overlapping elements.
>>
>> [1] https://music-encoding.org/guidelines/v4/content/cmn.html
>>
>>
> The fact is that no conductor in the world is using CMN, do they? :)
>
> Quite the contrary. Almost all conductors use Common Music Notation, if
> they have a score at all. Because Common Music Notation is the term for
> 'Just the "old-fashioned", non-xml-based musical scores ...'.
>
> The link at [1] is to documentation of MEI (Music Encoding Initiative), an
> XML-based language for describing music scores in various notations,
> including Common Music Notation. (There are other notations for music
> scores, such tablatures for guitars, neumes for medieval chant, etc.)
>
> I might re-word Gerrit's comment as "see for example how MEI handles the
> case when Common Music Notation beams or slurs overlap measure boundaries".
> It is interesting because MEI has a fundamental structure, the <measure>
> element, which corresponds to a CMN measure. CMN beams and slurs can cross
> measure boundaries. MEI has a way to represent the initial end of a beam or
> slur within one <measure> element, and final end of that beam or slur
> within a later <measure> element. I believe that is the "overlap" to which
> Gerrit was referring.
>
> If "XML is one's language" and they have to conduct an orchestra, what are
> the chances they will use [MEI] and not  the [CMN, i.e.] "old-fashioned",
> non-xml-based musical scores ?
> Does even a single such example exist?
>
> Of course not. For the same reason that I would rather read a novel as
> formatted text rather than XML-based DocBook[2] source representation of
> the novel. It is the old story of it being valuable to represent content in
> a markup language for authoring and workflow, and to render it into a
> different representation for human consumption.
>
> [2] https://docbook.org/
>
> Best regards,
>      —Jim DeLaHunt
>
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Dimitre Novatchev
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