Re: [Discuss][VOTE] Combine the project user and dev mailing lists into user@ and dev@

We use general as mainly an announcement list for topics that might be of general interest to all logging projects. Generally, these are just release announcements.

Ralph

> On Mar 9, 2017, at 10:37 AM, Matt Sicker <[email protected]> wrote:
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> Yeah, I agree that the user lists can remain separate as it doesn't cause any issues currently. The main idea here is whether we should merge the dev lists into one, or if we need a common dev list for all devs to subscribe to (general@ doesn't sound appropriate, but I don't know what that list is for).
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> On 9 March 2017 at 10:26, Ralph Goers <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> You should note that while we consider all votes only PMC votes are “binding”. I don’t think that changes much however.
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> From a PMC perspective I have to say that keeping the user’s lists separate isn’t likely to be an issue as most of the things that would need to be discussed would be on a dev list anyway.
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> Ralph
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>> On Mar 9, 2017, at 2:45 AM, Dominik Psenner <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
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>> The votes are way too scattered over the different mailing lists so that I didn't even find my own vote. ;-) Therefore I'm trying to summarize the current state of the vote:
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>> log4j-dev@, log4php-dev@, log4net-dev@, log4cxx-dev@ -> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>> Matt Sicker: +1
>> Ralph Goers: +1
>> Stefan Bodewig: +1
>> Sven Rautenverg: -1
>> Thorsten Schöning: -0
>> Ivan Habunek: -0
>> Dominik Psenner: +1
>> Remko Popma: +1
>> Mikael Ståldal: +0
>> 
>> Totals so far:
>> +1: 5
>> +0: 1
>> -0: 2
>> -1: 1
>> 
>> log4j-user@, log4php-user@, log4net-user@, log4cxx-user@, general@ -> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>> 
>> Matt Sicker: -1
>> Ralph Goers: +1
>> Stefan Bodewig: -1
>> Sven Rautenverg: -1
>> Thorsten Schöning: -0
>> Ivan Habunek: -0
>> Dominik Psenner: +1
>> Remko Popma: +1
>> Mikael Ståldal: -1
>> 
>> Totals so far:
>> +1: 3
>> +0: 0
>> -0: 2
>> -1: 4
>> Sorry to anyone who's vote is missing.
>> 
>> On 2017-03-08 05:20, Matt Sicker wrote:
>>> I may be missing some mailing lists considering I just subscribed to half of them less than five minutes ago.
>>> 
>>> This is a vote to merge the various Apache Logging Services mailing lists. The proposal is to combine them as follows:
>>> 
>>> log4j-dev@, log4php-dev@, log4net-dev@, log4cxx-dev@ -> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>> log4j-user@, log4php-user@, log4net-user@, log4cxx-user@, general@ -> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>> 
>>> commits@ and private@ remain the same as before.
>>> 
>>> The proposal would also suggest that the old emails become aliases for the combined email names so as not to lose any future emails. To distinguish between projects, a subject tag can be added such as:
>>> 
>>> [java]
>>> [net]
>>> [cxx]
>>> [php]
>>> 
>>> Though I wouldn't think such a tag is required, though it should help in gaining the attention of the appropriate audience.
>>> 
>>> Voting:
>>> 
>>> +1: Yes, combine the mailing lists!
>>> +0: Go ahead, don't care that much.
>>> -0: Don't like it, but not vetoing it.
>>> -1: No, don't do that! I have a better idea!
>>> 
>>> This vote follows the same "lazy consensus" (at least 3 +1 binding, no -1/vetoes) we use for general releases and whatnot. The vote will be open for at least 72 hours.
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Matt Sicker <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
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> Matt Sicker <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>