RE: animating the fill attribute of SVG with values changing from url(#g1) to url(#g2)
"'David Dailey' [email protected] [svg-developers]" <[email protected]> Mon, 7 Mar 2016 00:48:45 -0500
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------=_NextPart_000_00AB_01D1780B.1AD49D90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Domenico,=20 =20 I responded, sort of, over here: https://ello.co/ddailey/post/NjEHG970LVZ3T= QZKeVD-Tg=20 At least Ello has its whole =E2=80=9Cpublic benefit corporation=E2=80=9D th= ing going for it, fwiw.=20 =20 Yes I remember the IE-Netscape war. It didn=E2=80=99t make teaching the fun= damentals of programming any easier, since it required a year living in Tok= yo or Turin or Tucson (it had to start with T) for students to begin to und= erstand what the war had been about. It=E2=80=99s hard to teach about the = Hundred Years War in the 21st Century you know? =20 With regard to your vocabulary, I must be aging. Paris? Wasn=E2=80=99t that= conference in Prague or Pittsburgh or Phnom Penh? Maybe it was Portland. I= think they have good hops and malts. I don=E2=80=99t remember but I do kno= w that personality begins with a P.=20 =20 I think not all Chromers wear the same chroma. I remember in Nuremberg=E2= =80=A6 and already I feel my age=E2=80=A6 I had written this complicated th= ing but there was a fellow at the helm of the wildest and funnest parts of = webkit who was =E2=80=A6 I must not remember.=20=20 =20 Regards David =20 From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]= ]=20 Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 8:53 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [svg-developers] animating the fill attribute of SVG with valu= es changing from url(#g1) to url(#g2) =20 =20=20 David, =20 We must admit that the plan to demolish the SVG animations standard succeed= ed, and the task was effectively carried out, make no mistake, against all = protests and opposing arguments. I mean, it's quite obvious that any opposi= ng reply to the announcement of deprecation was never even simply read, let= alone considered. Given the diversity of arguments and tone in the posts, = it's impossible that none of them would ever get a response. You must have = noticed though that posts inquiring about alternatives did get answered. Th= at's what you're dealing with. Does that evoke democracy to you? Remember w= hen I used the word "fascist" out loud in Paris 2010? It was actually meant= for the squad, not just the poor PR person that got it. Well, here goes ag= ain. =20 "Is there a workaround?" =20 This was a typical question during the IE-Netscape war. =20 "Can we assume that the Chrome team will never again fix a SVG standards-re= lated browser bug?" =20 From what has been announced, we can assume that, at least in regard to the= animations. =20 =20 Domenico =20 =20=20 -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [svg-developers] animating the fill attribute of SVG with values changing from url(#g1) to url(#g2) From: "Cameron Laird [email protected] [svg-developers]" <[email protected]> Date: Sat, February 27, 2016 9:39 pm To: [email protected] =20=20 Rather than just "... nowadays easier to change specs than to fix bugs in o= ne=E2=80=99s code", it's been going on for centuries--or, if we restrict ou= r attention to computing, at least the early '60s. Cameron Laird, vice president <http://phaseit.net/images/phase-it-logo-web.jpg>=20 We make computers work for people. =20 On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 3:34 PM, 'David Dailey' [email protected] [s= vg-developers] <[email protected]> wrote: =20 Hi folks, (apologies for also posting this at stackoverflow, but I find tha= t place difficult to use) http://cs.sru.edu/~ddailey/ello/randomGradientsAnim.svg works fine in Firef= ox, but not in Chrome, perhaps because of Chrome's lack of support for stan= dardized SVG animation. relevant code:=20 <animate attributeName=3D"fill" repeatCount=3D"indefinite" dur=3D"3s" value= s=3D"url(#g0);url(#g1);url(#g2);url(#g3);url(#g4)" /> =20 Okay, so let's say I assume for a moment that CSS is the way to go: http://= cs.sru.edu/~ddailey/ello/randomGradientsAnim3.svg Here, using CSS to do the= animation works for named colors but not for gradients with local URL=E2= =80=99s in either FF or Chrome. Is there a workaround? =20 Can we assume that the Chrome team will never again fix a SVG standards-rel= ated browser bug? Apparently it is nowadays easier to change specs than to = fix bugs in one=E2=80=99s code.=20 =20 Cheers David =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_00AB_01D1780B.1AD49D90 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <head> <style type=3D"text/css"> <!-- /* start of attachment style */ .ygrp-photo-title{ clear: both; font-size: smaller; height: 15px; overflow: hidden; text-align: center; width: 75px; } div.ygrp-photo{ background-position: center; background-repeat: no-repeat; background-color: white; border: 1px solid black; height: 62px; width: 62px; } div.photo-title=20 a, div.photo-title a:active, div.photo-title a:hover, div.photo-title a:visited { text-decoration: none;=20 } div.attach-table div.attach-row { clear: both; } div.attach-table div.attach-row div { float: left; /* margin: 2px;*/ } p { clear: both; padding: 15px 0 3px 0; overflow: hidden; } div.ygrp-file { width: 30px; valign: middle; } div.attach-table div.attach-row div div a { text-decoration: none; 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It didn=E2=80=99t make teaching the fundamentals of = programming any easier, since it required a year living in Tokyo or Turin o= r Tucson (it had to start with T) for students to begin to understand what = the war had been about. =C2=A0It=E2=80=99s hard to teach about the Hundred = Years War in the 21<sup>st</sup> Century you know?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sa= ns-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><= span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F= 497D'>With regard to your vocabulary, I must be aging. Paris? Wasn=E2=80=99= t that conference in Prague or Pittsburgh or Phnom Penh? Maybe it was Portl= and. I think they have good hops and malts. I don=E2=80=99t remember but I = do know that personality begins with a P. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D= MsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif= ";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span sty= le=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I = think not all Chromers wear the same chroma.=C2=A0 I remember in Nuremberg= =E2=80=A6 and already I feel my age=E2=80=A6 I had written this complicated= thing but there was a fellow at the helm of the wildest and funnest parts = of webkit who was =E2=80=A6 I must not remember.=C2=A0 <o:p></o:p></span></= p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri= ","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNor= mal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";colo= r:#1F497D'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D= 'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>David<o= :p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;fo= nt-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p= ><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0p= t 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font= -family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style=3D'font-size:10.= 0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> [email protected] [mai= lto:[email protected]] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 29, 2= 016 8:53 AM<br><b>To:</b> [email protected]<br><b>Subject:</b>= RE: [svg-developers] animating the fill attribute of SVG with values chang= ing from url(#g1) to url(#g2)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DM= soNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><d= iv id=3Dygrp-mlmsg><div id=3Dygrp-msg><div id=3Dygrp-text><div><p class=3DM= soNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"= ;color:black'><br>David,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNorm= al><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color= :black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span s= tyle=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>We= must admit that the plan to demolish the SVG animations standard succeeded= , and the task was effectively carried out, make no mistake, against a= ll protests and opposing arguments. I mean, it's quite obvious that any opp= osing reply to the announcement of deprecation was never even sim= ply read, let alone considered. Given the diversity of arguments and tone i= n the posts, it's impossible that none of them would ever get a response. Y= ou must have noticed though that posts inquiring about alternatives did get= answered. That's what you're dealing with. Does that evoke democracy to yo= u? Remember when I used the word "fascist" out loud in Paris 2010= ? It was actually meant for the squad, not just the poor PR person that got= it. Well, here goes again.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoN= ormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";co= lor:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><spa= n style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'= >"Is there a workaround?"<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p clas= s=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-s= erif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNor= mal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";colo= r:black'>This was a typical question during the IE-Netscape war.<o:p></o:p>= </span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;= font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p= ></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-famil= y:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>"Can we assume that the Chrome t= eam will never again fix a SVG standards-related browser bug?"<o:p></o= :p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0= pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span>= </p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-fa= mily:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>From what has been announced, we c= an assume that, at least in regard to the animations.<o:p></o:p></span></p>= </div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family= :"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div= ><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana"= ,"sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class= =3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-se= rif";color:black'>Domenico<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNo= rmal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";col= or:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span= style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>= <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style=3D'border:none;bo= rder-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;margin-left:6.0pt;margin= -top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id=3DreplyBlockquote><div id=3DwmQuoteWrapp= er><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdan= a","sans-serif";color:black'>-------- Original Message --------<br>Subject:= Re: [svg-developers] animating the fill attribute of SVG with<br>values ch= anging from url(#g1) to url(#g2)<br>From: "Cameron Laird <a href=3D"ma= ilto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a> [svg-developers]"<br>&= lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">svg-developers@yahoogr= oups.com</a>><br>Date: Sat, February 27, 2016 9:39 pm<br>To: <a href=3D"= mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a><b= r><br> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=3Dygrp-mlmsg><div id=3Dygrp-msg>= <div id=3Dygrp-text><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0= pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>Rather than just ".= .. nowadays </span><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial"= ,"sans-serif";color:#222426'>easier to change specs than to fix bugs in one= =E2=80=99s code", it's been going on for centuries--or, if we restrict= our attention to computing, at least the early '60s.</span><span style=3D'= font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p= ></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt= ;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><br clear=3Dall><o:p></o:p= ></span></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span s= tyle=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>Ca= meron Laird, vice president<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoN= ormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";co= lor:black'><img border=3D0 id=3D"_x0000_i1025" src=3D"http://phaseit.net/im= ages/phase-it-logo-web.jpg"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMso= Normal><span style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";c= olor:red'>We make computers work for people.</span><span style=3D'font-size= :10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span><= /p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span sty= le=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p= > </o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:= 10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>On Sat, Feb 27, 2016= at 3:34 PM, 'David Dailey' <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" tar= get=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a> [svg-developers] <<a href=3D= "mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">svg-developers@ya= hoogroups.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal= style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family= :"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div>= <p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",= "sans-serif";color:#222426'>Hi folks, (apologies for also posting this at s= tackoverflow, but I find that place difficult to use)</span><span style=3D'= font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div= ><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Ver= dana","sans-serif";color:#222426'><a href=3D"http://cs.sru.edu/~ddailey/ell= o/randomGradientsAnim.svg" target=3D"_blank">http://cs.sru.edu/~ddailey/ell= o/randomGradientsAnim.svg</a> works fine in Firefox, but not in Chrome, per= haps because of Chrome's lack of support for standardized SVG animation. re= levant code: </span><span style=3D'font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color= :black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style= =3D'font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#222426'><= animate attributeName=3D"fill" repeatCount=3D"indefinite&quo= t; dur=3D"3s" values=3D"url(#g0);url(#g1);url(#g2);url(#g3);= url(#g4)" /></span><span style=3D'font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif= ";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#222426'= > </span><span style=3D'font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black= '><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font= -size:11.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#222426'>Okay, so let= 's say I assume for a moment that CSS is the way to go: <a href=3D"http://c= s.sru.edu/~ddailey/ello/randomGradientsAnim3.svg" target=3D"_blank">http://= cs.sru.edu/~ddailey/ello/randomGradientsAnim3.svg</a> Here, using CSS to do= the animation works for named colors but not for gradients with local URL= =E2=80=99s in either FF or Chrome. Is there a workaround?</span><span style= =3D'font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><= /div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;font-family:= "Verdana","sans-serif";color:#222426'> </span><span style=3D'font-fami= ly:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sa= ns-serif";color:#222426'>Can we assume that the Chrome team will never agai= n fix a SVG standards-related browser bug? Apparently it is nowadays easier= to change specs than to fix bugs in one=E2=80=99s code. </span><span style= =3D'font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><= /div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;font-family:= "Verdana","sans-serif";color:#222426'> </span><span style=3D'font-fami= ly:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sa= ns-serif";color:#222426'>Cheers</span><span style=3D'font-family:"Verdana",= "sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNo= rmal><span style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";col= or:#222426'>David</span><span style=3D'font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";c= olor:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D= 'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana= ","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p clas= s=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-s= erif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></di= v></blockquote></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:white'>= <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <br> <br> <!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| --> <div width=3D"1" style=3D"color: white; clear: both;"/>__._,_.___</div> =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 <div id=3D"fromDMARC" style=3D"clear:both; margin-top: 10px;"> <hr style=3D"height:2px ; border-width:0; color:#E3E3E3; backgroun= d-color:#E3E3E3;"> Posted by: "David Dailey" <[email protected]&g= t; <hr style=3D"height:2px ; border-width:0; color:#E3E3E3; backgro= und-color:#E3E3E3;"> </div> <!-- Start Recommendations --> <!-- End Recommendations --> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <br><br> <tt> -----<BR> To unsubscribe send a message to: [email protected]= m<BR> -or-<BR> visit <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers">http://group= s.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers</a> and click "edit my membership&quo= t;<BR> ----</tt> <br><br> <!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| --> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <img src=3D"http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=3D97476590/grpId=3D1298421/grpspI= d=3D1706030390/msgId=3D66547/stime=3D1457329744" width=3D"1" height=3D"1"> = <br> <!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| --> =20=20=20=20 <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <br> =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20 <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <div id=3D"ygrp-vital" style=3D"background-color: #f2f2f2; font-fam= ily: Verdana; font-size: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; padding: 10px;"> <span id=3D"vithd" style=3D"font-weight: bold; color: #333; text-tr= ansform: uppercase; "><a href=3D"https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/svg-de= velopers/info;_ylc=3DX3oDMTJlcWdnaGswBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyOTg0MjEEZ3= Jwc3BJZAMxNzA2MDMwMzkwBHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc3RpbWUDMTQ1NzMyOTc0NA--" sty= le=3D"text-decoration: none;">Visit Your Group</a></span> <ul style=3D"list-style-type: none; margin: 0; padding: 0; display: in= line;"> </ul> </div> <div id=3D"ft" style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-size: 11px; margin-top: 5p= x; padding: 0 2px 0 0; clear: both;"> <a href=3D"https://groups.yahoo.com/neo;_ylc=3DX3oDMTJkbzh0NTZxBF9TAzk3ND= c2NTkwBGdycElkAzEyOTg0MjEEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA2MDMwMzkwBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzd= GltZQMxNDU3MzI5NzQ0" style=3D"float: left;"><img src=3D"http://l.yimg.com/r= u/static/images/yg/img/email/new_logo/logo-groups-137x15.png" height=3D"15"= width=3D"137" alt=3D"Yahoo! 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