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Thanks Wendell!
When I first learned about XSLT and namespaces, I figured, “I’ll be thankful for this when I have mixed-namespace content.” I am relieved that indeed, the complexity helps avoid even more complexity!
I am learning XSLT and namespaces at the same time. My background is perl/Tcl/C/etc., and my brain doesn’t think in XSLT yet. Every template, every structure, every expression is a hard-fought battle.
Thankfully, this list has been outstandingly helpful and patient with my questions.
* Chris
From: Wendell Piez [email protected] <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 11:12 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [xsl] HTML5 and MathML and namespaces, oh my
Chris,
Awesome. You have about cracked the namespace conundrum. Part of the key is to see that the XSLT is also an XML document and follows all the same rules as any other XML document as to its namespaces.
So:
> Why would the XSLT serializer write explicit namespace references that aren’t needed by context?
In this case, all the declarations in samples you have shown are needed with the exception of the stray binding to an 'mml' prefix, which you removed. They would not be needed if the processor (say) assigned all its own prefixes to names, instead of using the names as given in the XSLT. But we would hate that. So it does its best to give us what we need, with the names it thinks we want.
> Isn’t the point of namespaces that everything is fully qualified internally, then the output can adjust accordingly?
Yes! As you've discovered, that can require some jiggery when multiple vocabularies are competing for unprefixed names (or the same prefixes).
> How do I get a clean <math> island of MathML content without namespace stuff cluttering up its contents?
Bravo! Actually with a little practice you can make it so your code is reasonably clean even in mixed-namespace use cases.
Old project: https://github.com/wendellpiez/XMLNamespaceFixup<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/github.com/wendellpiez/XMLNamespaceFixup__;!!A4F2R9G_pg!Jhl_IDRYqlo2VzhBevEPT2OWcoGcLIPmsruLOTbumPfCYoJ_cCkeVydWWU_RjqAl8DdrvKRO1IBfYvM$> (but if you do things right you'll never need it).
Cheers, Wendell
On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 8:04 AM Chris Papademetrious [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi Martin,
Thanks for taking the time to reply!
The :mml namespace was a vestigial declaration from earlier experiments. I didn't realize its presence would cause problems. After deleting it, I get
...
<math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML__;!!A4F2R9G_pg!Jhl_IDRYqlo2VzhBevEPT2OWcoGcLIPmsruLOTbumPfCYoJ_cCkeVydWWU_RjqAl8DdrvKROJrOkqso$>">
<mrow>
<mrow xmlns="">
<mspace xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML__;!!A4F2R9G_pg!Jhl_IDRYqlo2VzhBevEPT2OWcoGcLIPmsruLOTbumPfCYoJ_cCkeVydWWU_RjqAl8DdrvKROJrOkqso$>"/>
</mrow>
</mrow>
</math>
...
which makes me now realize that my newly-added <mrow> was *not* in the MathML namespace as I expected. So then I added
xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML__;!!A4F2R9G_pg!Jhl_IDRYqlo2VzhBevEPT2OWcoGcLIPmsruLOTbumPfCYoJ_cCkeVydWWU_RjqAl8DdrvKROJrOkqso$>"
to my <xsl:stylesheet> opening tag so that the unqualified <mspace> in my template was created in the MathML namespace, and now I get the expected results:
<!DOCTYPE html>
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.w3.org/1999/xhtml__;!!A4F2R9G_pg!Jhl_IDRYqlo2VzhBevEPT2OWcoGcLIPmsruLOTbumPfCYoJ_cCkeVydWWU_RjqAl8DdrvKRONX00fVk$>">
<head>
<title>Equations</title>
</head>
<body>
<math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML__;!!A4F2R9G_pg!Jhl_IDRYqlo2VzhBevEPT2OWcoGcLIPmsruLOTbumPfCYoJ_cCkeVydWWU_RjqAl8DdrvKROJrOkqso$>">
<mrow>
<mrow>
<mspace/>
</mrow>
</mrow>
</math>
</body>
</html>
In retrospect, my mistakes were:
1. Thinking that "xpath-default-namespace" affected new element creation too.
2. Not realizing that the <mspace> created by my template was *not* in the MathML namespace.
Many thanks!!
- Chris
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