Re: Using TM to help define the future of XML

Jan,

On Fri, 2010-12-03 at 09:47 +0100, Jan Schreiber wrote:

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> 
> 
> (*) My secret plan is to promote tmjs in the nodejs community. But
> that would require more tutorials and docs about TMs for the
> non-semantic people. Something like http://learnyouahaskell.com/ for
> TMs.
> 

But if you tell us, then it's no longer a secret. That's logic. You must
be looking for the DL group, not us.

More seriously, do you mean we need one or more tutorials with odd
sounding titles? 

Or just more tutorials in general? 

;-)

Ok, ok. 

+1! on the need for more tutorials. 

I suspect part of the problem is that unlike the Haskell tutorial, there
isn't a command line interface (or other) that gives you immediate
feedback. 

That is if a tutorial started off talking about topics and you
enter/copy the code for a topic, yawn, now what? 

See the problem? 

The *bang* in topic maps takes a bit longer to become evident. 

I think it is possible to get around that, I am just not sure how.

Some possibilities:

Have demo topic maps in one or more areas of interest to which a newbie
could add topics/associations so the impact of adding information is
immediately evident? 

Or have demo topic maps where users could change topics/associations in
some defined ways to also demonstrate the impact of the changes.

My thinking being that the create ontology/types/topics -> write file ->
load file -> navigate -> merge with other files -> still text interface
approach interests a small minority of users but just isn't appealing to
the game boy/netflix users. If it doesn't jump, fizzle or pop, they lose
interest pretty quickly. 

I wish it were otherwise but wishes that are not commonly held, make for
poor marketing policy.

Hope you are looking forward to a great weekend!

Patrick

PS: Can you say what would be of interest to the nodejs community?
Thinking that tutorials that touch on items of interest to particular
communities are likely to be more successful than others. The Haskell
tutorial for example touches on concerns meaningful to programmers but
not rose gardeners. Topic maps tutorials for either of those groups
would be somewhat different. Yes?