Re: The AF war diary

Robert,

On Fri, 2011-01-28 at 09:23 +0100, Robert Cerny wrote:
> Lars and Patrick,
> 
> Let's turn things around! Why don't you create a RDBMS application with some code and put it online. I would be curious to see the data schema and i would like to compare development time.
> 

Fair enough request. 

While you wait for a detailed response, see the work using Wandora that
Aki details at: http://www.wandora.net/wandora/forum/viewtopic.php?t=56

With downloadable results. 

I would take a somewhat different approach, not due to any shortcoming
of Wandora but I have always been curious about omissions. ;-)

How to model the omissions so that they become meaningful is an area
where topic maps could prove to be very useful. 

> The invention of the automobile added nothing genuinely new to the life of people. Transport and mobility exist since the beginning of mankind and earlier. It is just much more convenient to use an automobile to transport people and goods from place A to place B.
> 

Well, neither did "hypertext," at least for anyone bright enough to be
reading one text and recognize a reference to another one. How you get
to that other reference, memory of the text (rabbis and scholars),
library (students), computer (the easily distracted), is just a question
of mechanism. 

I suppose you are right. It isn't a question of being "new" but of what
advantage does a topic map add to a particular situation.

I would not want a topic map to the Mad Magazine archives. That is
something to be savored by slow reading. ;-)

I would want a topic map that saved my replicating the research of
others with regard to the origin of NoSQL. Why such an idiotic cartoon
would be retweeted under different titles I have no idea. 

Hope you are looking forward to a great weekend!

Patrick

PS: In the looming economic crisis, a topic map could be useful, if
combined with Google maps, to show who will profit or continues to
profit from government action. I suppose that is what was lacking during
the French Revolution. A useful targeting mechanism for the populace. 


> Best,
> 
> Robert
> 
> Am 28.01.2011 um 02:24 schrieb Patrick Durusau:
> 
> > Lars,
> > 
> > I won't be at Emnekart 2011 either. 
> > 
> > So I would like to hear the answer as well!
> > 
> > BTW, unless and until the topic map community gets to where we can ask
> > questions, even pointed ones, about each other's work and even topic
> > maps, we aren't going anywhere quickly. 
> > 
> > Hope you are having a great evening!
> > 
> > Patrick
> > 
> > Aside to Lars: I suspect "semantic tools" didn't mean topic maps,
> > although it could have. 
> > 
> > There are any number of text analysis tools that are commonly available
> > but rarely used outside of analysis shops. Simply having a keyword in
> > context concordance would be a real boon. Rapidly extracting terms for
> > defined identifiers would speed up creation of uniform referencing.
> > Expanding the alphabet soup with unofficial access to some veterans. Any
> > number of things. 
> > 
> > Topic maps would enter much later, when it came time to integrate that
> > information store with that held by the newspaper or with data obtained
> > from other sources. Such as cross checking events with reportage in the
> > New York Times, for example. (Although I would not use occurrences even
> > there. I would prefer using associations so that NYT stories would also
> > exist as topics in associations with their authors. To enable the
> > spotting of patterns of authors on particular types of stories. Who
> > might or might not have additional sources. 
> > 
> > All of that is just guessing based on what I would do with an even
> > moderately financed effort to analyze the texts.
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, 2011-01-27 at 23:30 +0100, Lars Heuer wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >> 
> >> While I tried to shut up and hesitate from commenting the Afghanistan
> >> TM any further than I've said in [1], I saw Patrick's post [2] and
> >> Are's post [3] and the comments to Patrick's post [4]
> >> 
> >> Well, you may see some frictions between these posts.
> >> 
> >> An exercise: Provide facts/questions/advantages which are solved by
> >> <http://maiana.topicmapslab.de/u/efi/tm/wd2004> which cannot be solved
> >> by <http://cryptome.net/afg-war-diary.sql.7z>.
> >> 
> >> The Emnekart 2011 entry about the Wikileaks Afghanistan War Log says:
> >> 
> >>    """
> >>    [...]
> >>    Publishers like Spiegel Online spent several months before the
> >>    release, manually analyzing the data. With semantic tools this
> >>    could have been much easier…
> >>    [...]
> >>    """
> >> 
> >> I won't attend Emnekart 2011 but I'd be interested why Der Spiegel
> >> should have used Topic Maps.
> >> 
> >> [1]
> >> <http://www.infoloom.com/pipermail/topicmapmail/2010q4/008550.html>
> >> [2] <http://tm.durusau.net/?p=6922>
> >> [3]
> >> <http://everythingisasubject.blogspot.com/2011/01/emnekart-2011.html>
> >> [4]
> >> <http://tm.durusau.net/?p=6922&cpage=1#comment-5294>
> >> 
> >> Best regards,
> >> Lars
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