Re: Want to buy/get/configure a Linux (*_not_* Android)! tablet.
Colm Buckley <[email protected]> Mon, 24 Dec 2018 15:16:25 +0000
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Hey folks -
In the spirit of Xmas, I'd appreciate it if you eased up on the Google
trash talk. Apart from the fact that dozens of list members work for Google
and don't particularly enjoy having our software referred to as a cancerous
tumour, it's worth pointing out that Google systems (Android and Chrome OS)
represent the vast majority of actually deployed Linux clients, and Google
is one of the top sponsors of, and contributors to, OSS development
globally.
Colm
On Mon 24 Dec 2018, 14:41 Anthony Stalker <[email protected]
wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Tablets are tricky and phones are tricky, bcs they're closed hardware
> controlled by the big two, so everything has to be reverse engineered
> by a bunch of enthusiasts.
>
> I think it's unlikely you will be able to do anything other than buy
> something with OTTB android and flash it. (I've never flashed a device
> as I am also not a big hardware guy, but I've read guides and doesn't
> seem impossible, however be advised that it is fairly easy to brick
> your device if you mess up!)
>
> Unfortunately the Librem 10 didn't reach it's funding goal 2 years ago
> that would have been great.
>
> It really depends on your concerns. If you hate android because it is
> a shitty blob of ugh... JAVA on a linux kernel then I'd suggest taking
> a look at ubuntu Touch. Here are a list of supported devices. Note
> it's not great and a bit dated:
>
> https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/
>
> If however your problem is not with android per se but the additional
> google blobs, then I'd flash an android device with one of the many
> images of androidlikes which have excised the Google tumor (I hear
> some more successfully than others)
>
> Anthony
>
> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 2:24 PM Conor Daly
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > I did a successful ubuntu install on an Asus T102HA convertible tablet
> > using the linuxium.com isorespin.sh script. Camera and fingerprint
> > sensors do not work. Sound works through built in speakers but not
> > through headphone port. I use an external usb soundcard if I want
> > headphones.
> >
> > It's a super, little, ultra-portable machine giving me a proper linux
> > workstation.
> >
> > Asus Transformer T102HA
> > https://www.asus.com/ie/2-in-1-PCs/ASUS-Transformer-Mini-T102HA/
> > Linuxium.com isorespin.sh
> >
> http://linuxiumcomau.blogspot.com/2017/06/customizing-ubuntu-isos-documen=
tation.html
> > Usb sound card
> >
> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sabrent-External-Adapter-Windows-AU-MMSA/dp/B00I=
RVQ0F8/ref=3Dsr_1_3?ie=3DUTF8&qid=3D1545649351&sr=3D8-3&keywords=3Dexternal=
+usb+sound+card
> >
> > Conor
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 09:33:22AM +0000 or so it is rumoured hereabout=
s,
> > Francis Greaves thought:
> > > Or go for a tablet/phone which will run LineageOS and put opengaps
> pico on it. Works for me, keeps most of google out of my life!
> > > Seasons Greetings to all ILUGers
> > > Francis
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "paul" <[email protected]>
> > > To: [email protected]
> > > Sent: Monday, 24 December, 2018 8:31:10 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [ILUG] Want to buy/get/configure a Linux (*_not_*
> Android)! tablet.
> > >
> > > I got fedora booted/installed on a windows x86 tablet before. But the
> > > experience was pretty bad, driver and performance wise.
> > >
> > > I ended up putting android on it, but that was enough of a confusing
> > > ordeal to scare me away from suggesting it to anyone.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Maybe driver support is better now, who knows.
> > > Also, without google play services, a copy of replicant (de-googled
> > > android, just free software) shouldn't spy on your location for googl=
e
> > > unless you tell it to.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 23/12/2018 18:12, Database guy wrote:
> > > >
> > > > What's the best way to get a proper Linux tablet?
> > > >
> > > > i.e. not one running the ersatz Linux known as Android. No Google
> > > > stores, no asking for my location (even despite my best efforts, it
> > > > appears to able to switch it on sometimes!).
> > > >
> > > > Or do I have to "root" the machine myself? Something I' reluctant t=
o
> do
> > > > - not much of a hardware guy? Any Linux install-fests coming up whe=
re
> > > > anybody could help me with that sort oft thing?
> > > >
> > > > TIA and rgs,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > P=C3=B3l...
> > > >
> > > >
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<div dir=3D"auto">Hey folks -<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">=
In the spirit of Xmas, I'd appreciate it if you eased up on the Google =
trash talk. Apart from the fact that dozens of list members work for Google=
and don't particularly enjoy having our software referred to as a canc=
erous tumour, it's worth pointing out that Google systems (Android and =
Chrome OS) represent the vast majority of actually deployed Linux clients, =
and Google is one of the top sponsors of, and contributors to, OSS developm=
ent globally.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Colm</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div></div><br><di=
v class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Mon 24 Dec 2018, 14:41 Anthony =
Stalker <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">anthony.e.stalke=
[email protected]</a> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi All,<br>
<br>
Tablets are tricky and phones are tricky, bcs they're closed hardware<b=
r>
controlled by the big two, so everything has to be reverse engineered<br>
by a bunch of enthusiasts.<br>
<br>
I think it's unlikely you will be able to do anything other than buy<br=
>
something with OTTB android and flash it. (I've never flashed a device<=
br>
as I am also not a big hardware guy, but I've read guides and doesn'=
;t<br>
seem impossible, however be advised that it is fairly easy to brick<br>
your device if you mess up!)<br>
<br>
Unfortunately the Librem 10 didn't reach it's funding goal 2 years =
ago<br>
that would have been great.<br>
<br>
It really depends on your concerns. If you hate android because it is<br>
a shitty blob of ugh... JAVA on a linux kernel then I'd suggest taking<=
br>
a look at ubuntu Touch. Here are a list of supported devices. Note<br>
it's not great and a bit dated:<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" =
target=3D"_blank">https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/</a><br>
<br>
If however your problem is not with android per se but the additional<br>
google blobs, then I'd flash an android device with one of the many<br>
images of androidlikes which have excised the Google tumor (I hear<br>
some more successfully than others)<br>
<br>
Anthony<br>
<br>
On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 2:24 PM Conor Daly<br>
<<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_b=
lank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email protected]</a>> wr=
ote:<br>
><br>
> I did a successful ubuntu install on an Asus T102HA convertible tablet=
<br>
> using the <a href=3D"http://linuxium.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer=
" target=3D"_blank">linuxium.com</a> isorespin.sh script.=C2=A0 Camera and =
fingerprint<br>
> sensors do not work.=C2=A0 Sound works through built in speakers but n=
ot<br>
> through headphone port.=C2=A0 I use an external usb soundcard if I wan=
t<br>
> headphones.<br>
><br>
> It's a super, little, ultra-portable machine giving me a proper li=
nux<br>
> workstation.<br>
><br>
> Asus Transformer T102HA<br>
> <a href=3D"https://www.asus.com/ie/2-in-1-PCs/ASUS-Transformer-Mini-T1=
02HA/" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.asus.com=
/ie/2-in-1-PCs/ASUS-Transformer-Mini-T102HA/</a><br>
> Linuxium.com isorespin.sh<br>
> <a href=3D"http://linuxiumcomau.blogspot.com/2017/06/customizing-ubunt=
u-isos-documentation.html" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">=
http://linuxiumcomau.blogspot.com/2017/06/customizing-ubuntu-isos-documenta=
tion.html</a><br>
> Usb sound card<br>
> <a href=3D"https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sabrent-External-Adapter-Windows-A=
U-MMSA/dp/B00IRVQ0F8/ref=3Dsr_1_3?ie=3DUTF8&qid=3D1545649351&sr=3D8=
-3&keywords=3Dexternal+usb+sound+card" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sabrent-External-Adapter-Windows-A=
U-MMSA/dp/B00IRVQ0F8/ref=3Dsr_1_3?ie=3DUTF8&qid=3D1545649351&sr=3D8=
-3&keywords=3Dexternal+usb+sound+card</a><br>
><br>
> Conor<br>
><br>
> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 09:33:22AM +0000 or so it is rumoured hereabou=
ts,<br>
> Francis Greaves thought:<br>
> > Or go for a tablet/phone which will run LineageOS and put opengap=
s pico on it. Works for me, keeps most of google out of my life!<br>
> > Seasons Greetings to all ILUGers<br>
> > Francis<br>
> ><br>
> > ----- Original Message -----<br>
> > From: "paul" <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" ta=
rget=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email protected]</a>><br>
> > To: <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nor=
eferrer">[email protected]</a><br>
> > Sent: Monday, 24 December, 2018 8:31:10 AM<br>
> > Subject: Re: [ILUG] Want to buy/get/configure a Linux (*_not_* An=
droid)! tablet.<br>
> ><br>
> > I got fedora booted/installed on a windows x86 tablet before. But=
the<br>
> > experience was pretty bad, driver and performance wise.<br>
> ><br>
> > I ended up putting android on it, but that was enough of a confus=
ing<br>
> > ordeal to scare me away from suggesting it to anyone.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Maybe driver support is better now, who knows.<br>
> > Also, without google play services, a copy of replicant (de-googl=
ed<br>
> > android, just free software) shouldn't spy on your location f=
or google<br>
> > unless you tell it to.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > On 23/12/2018 18:12, Database guy wrote:<br>
> > ><br>
> > > What's the best way to get a proper Linux tablet?<br>
> > ><br>
> > > i.e. not one running the ersatz Linux known as Android. No G=
oogle<br>
> > > stores, no asking for my location (even despite my best effo=
rts, it<br>
> > > appears to able to switch it on sometimes!).<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Or do I have to "root" the machine myself? Somethi=
ng I' reluctant to do<br>
> > > - not much of a hardware guy? Any Linux install-fests coming=
up where<br>
> > > anybody could help me with that sort oft thing?<br>
> > ><br>
> > > TIA and rgs,<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > P=C3=B3l...<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
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