Re: Linux desktop performance under extreme memory and CPU pressure

Earlier you said, "My experience with Android and Windows is they both 
do a very good job in dealing with processes that become very memory or 
CPU hungry."

If you simply search "android google" a reference pops up
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(operating_system)

that says;
Android is a mobile operating system based on a modified version of the 
Linux kernel and other open source software, designed primarily for 
touchscreen mobile devices such as smartphones and tablets. Android is 
developed by a consortium of developers known as the Open Handset 
Alliance and commercially sponsored by Google.

If you go to the web site
https://www.android.com/
you are immediately asked to agree to google cookies.

If you want to eat google ad services and google cookies all day on a 
google designed phone I have no reason to try convince you differently.




Haudy Kazemi wrote:
> There are definitely things websites can do to not be so resource
> hungry, which would in turn mitigate the impact of Linux desktop design
> weaknesses. (That is not an excuse for Linux, though, as Linux distros
> are mentioned as a way to extend the life of aging hardware.) The
> problem is we don't have much leverage over websites. Simply blocking
> all scripts also breaks the sites. Alternative sites aren't always an
> option.
>
> I myself prefer web 1.0 over web 2.0 and its heavy scripts, wasted
> screen real estate, endless scrolling webpages, poor contrast UIs, and
> other lousy design 'features'. There was a time when a Pentium 166 MHz
> with 64 MB RAM was enough for web browsing.
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 26, 2020, 19:37 Rick Engebretson <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>     Both you and Doug Reed suggest the problem is mostly on the browser
>     side. My experience suggests it is on the web server side.
>
>     The status bar on firefox shows connections with dozens of other web
>     servers just to load what seems like a simple web page. My seamonkey
>     browser still has the old fashioned blinking "stop" button on the
>     toolbar, and downloading a web page these days seems like a long
>     lasting
>     busy connection. I even get grouched at by some sites for using the ad
>     blocker; they say "how do you think we make our money, turn off your ad
>     blocker." They even provide a button on their grouch box to turn the ad
>     blocker off.
>
>     Most financial transaction sites advise to close your browser after
>     logging out. Not a bad idea. Like washing your hands.
>
>
>
>     Iznogoud wrote:
>     > Very interesting points. Browsing webpages needs gigabytes of RAM
>     today.
>     > I do not know how software development has got to be so
>     irresponsible...
>     > I do not remember who it was who intentionally gave slow computers
>     to their
>     > programmers to make sure they wrote efficient code. No such
>     thinking today.
>     > I think it is a market-oriented problem; components are cheap, RAM
>     is cheap,
>     > and all trouble stems from that. I will stop ranting about this now.
>     >
>     > I think that there are some bad design choices on the software
>     side, like
>     > relying on other components that bring their own latency, memory
>     needs, and
>     > problems to any one large software framework (say,
>     Open/LibreOffice). I can
>     > think of the dreaded dbus. Also, try running two separate
>     firefoxes at once
>     > under the same UID.
>     >
>     > But there are ideas. Controlling resources is a thing, and I think
>     that
>     > "containerizing" execution may help here. Appropriate resources can be
>     > allocated per process, with caps on CPU time, I/O, etc. I do not
>     know how
>     > to do this off the top of my head, but if there is an OS that
>     should do it
>     > well for you, Linux is its name. Does anyone have a solution of
>     this kind
>     > to offer so I do not have to do endless browsing for it? Very
>     interested.
>     >
>     > It is hard to force open-source developers to do you the favour
>     and make
>     > their software lean and robust to beyond what their testing suite
>     extends.
>     > The response to this is: "here is the code, fix what you do not like".
>     >
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