Re: Revelation 3:20

Dawn Flood <[email protected]> Tue, 7 Jul 2026 13:06:05 -0500
Newsgroups alt.activism.death-penalty,alt.atheism
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID <[email protected]>
On 7/6/2026 11:13 PM, Samuel Spade wrote:
> Dawn Flood <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 7/6/2026 7:33 PM, Samuel Spade wrote:
>>> "Andrew" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> "Samuel Spade" wrote
>>>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>>>> "Samuel Spade" wrote
>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>> Samuel Spade wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jesus said, "I am the resurrection and the life. Any
>>>>>>>>>> one who believes in me will live, even after dying.
>>>>>>>>>> Everyone who lives in me and believes in me will
>>>>>>>>>> never die."
>>>>>>>>>>                          John 11:25-26 NLT
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Never die?  Are you sure?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hebrews 9:27
>>>>>>>>> And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after
>>>>>>>>> this the judgment:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Never die, once die.  Never die, once die.  Which will it be?
>>>>>>>>> Oh, wait:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Revelation 21:8
>>>>>>>>> But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable,
>>>>>>>>> and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and
>>>>>>>>> idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the
>>>>>>>>> lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the
>>>>>>>>> second death.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Damn. Now we're up to the second death!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Never die, twice die.  Never die, twice die.  Tough choices!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The default numbur is 'two'.  If you want to die only
>>>>>> once, then you must come up in the first resurrection.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh no you don't.  You're already on record as saying whoever
>>>>> believes in Jesus *will never die*.
>>>>
>>>> That's what _Jesus_ said.
>>>>
>>>>> How do you do that?  As
>>>>> you are quoted above, and I repeat:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jesus said, "I am the resurrection and the life. Any
>>>>>>>>>> one who believes in me will live, even after dying.
>>>>>>>>>> Everyone who lives in me and believes in me will
>>>>>>>>>> never die."   John 11:25-26 NLT
>>>>>
>>>>> I admit, Andrew, you're on the horns of a dilema.  You can
>>>>> either accept John 11:26 and never die, or go by Heb 9:27 and
>>>>> die once.  Or, of course, enjoy a rich life of sin and
>>>>> abomination, and be blessed with double deaths, per Rev 21:8.
>>>>
>>>> Choose option # 1,
>>>>
>>>>> The choices are all in pretty direct conflict, aren't they?
>>>>
>>>> Absolutely! So make up your mind!
>>>>
>>>> Choose option # 1,
>>>>
>>>> "Blessed and holy are those who share in the first
>>>>    resurrection. For them the second death holds no
>>>>    power,"                 ~ Rev 20:6
>>>
>>> So you're admitting Option 0, "never die", is off the table?
>>> You know, the one you quoted at the beginning of the thread?
>>>
>>> "Everyone who lives in me and believes in me will never die."
>>> John 11:26
>>>
>>> Do you want to see John and Paul duke it out?
>>
>> You'll never win this "argument"; you realize that, don't you?
> 
> Well, so far I've got options on how many deaths to die, and a
> license to sin freely in the meantime.
> 
> Losing has its upside.

LOL!