Re: The Holy Bible

[email protected] wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Aug 2026 01:04:50 -0700, Samuel Spade <[email protected]> wrote:
> >[email protected] wrote:
> >
> >> Have you criticized NASA for saying "the ends of the earth"? That
> >> implies the earth is flat or cubical. So NASA can get away with it,
> >> but the Bible not? That's called "bias". And is not very scientific.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> >You also have a multitude of verses in OT
> >> >and new using descriptions like "immovable", foundation,
> >> >suggesting you can see the whole world from top of an
> >> >exceeding high mountain.
> >> 
> >> Need the verses you are referring to.
> >
> >I already gave you some of the verses that describe a flat
> >non-moveable earth and a geocentric universe.  Since I just
> >came across them again, i will repeat myself:
> 
> What did you think of NASA talking about "the ends of the earth"?
> 
> Can't you see that the Bible describes some things like NASA does, and
> is not meant to be taken literally.

Nasa's blurb is obviously a metaphor, and a commonly used
one.  Nasa's position on the shape of the planet is well
known.

The bible, OTOH, does not have a clear dividing line between
literal and allegorical.  The way it is typically parsed by
christians is that everything that fits their narrative is
meant literally, while everything that contradicts them is
allegory.  So you have the earth "hanging from nothing" being
literal, while the earth being "immovable" on its
"foundation" is an allegorical reference to... what, again?

Thus the Flood and exodus are literal, while Moses talking to
God face-to-face as to a friend, is a metaphor for using an
angel intermediary.

Judas hanged himself, and Judas spilled out his guts.  No
problem, that just means he did both at the same time!


> >Job 38:4
> >Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the
> >earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

So God laid foundations for the moving earth?

In that context, God rebuking Job for lack of understanding
is ironic.

> >Matthew 4:8
> >Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high
> >mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the
> >world, and the glory of them;
> 
> What about the vision?

What vision?  The temptation in the wilderness was not a
vision, it is portrayed as a step Jesus needed to go through
to be sinless and unblemished despite satan's desperate
wiles.  And, of course, to fulfil prophecy.


> >Daniel 4:10-11
> >Thus were the visions of mine head in my bed; I saw,
> >and behold a tree in the midst of the earth, and the
> >height thereof was great.
> >The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof
> >reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the end
> >of all the earth:
> 
> In its poetic style, That means globally.

In its poetic style, it means the earth is flat.

The significance is that the tree is visible from all the
earth, not that it reached heaven or that the earth has ends.
That can only happen if the earth is flat.

Why would Daniel have that vision if he knew the earth is
spheroidal?


> >1 Chronicles 16:30
> >Tremble before Him, all the earth;
> >Indeed, the world is firmly established, it will not
> >be moved.
> 
> Thus nothing is going to destroy the earth. It is fixed firmly in
> space, and will always be populated.

The earth is literally not fixed firmly in space.

Being fixed doesn't prevent the earth from being melted and
destroyed, as it inevitably will be.  What do you see as the
allegoric message there, or the "type" it portrays?

> >Psalm 33:8-9
> >Let all the earth fear the Lord;
> >let all the people of the world revere him.
> >For he spoke, and it came to be;
> >he commanded, and it stood firm.
> 
> - King James
> Job 26:7  He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and
> hangeth the earth upon nothing.

What's the significance of "the north"?

> >Psalm 93:1
> >The Lord reigns, He is clothed with majesty;
> >The Lord has clothed and girded Himself with strength;
> >Indeed, the world is firmly established, it will not
> >be moved.
> >
> >Psalm 96:10
> >Say among the nations, “The Lord reigns;
> >Indeed, the world is firmly established, it will not
> >be moved; He will judge the peoples with equity.”
> 
> -- King James
> Isaiah 40:22  It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and
> the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the
> heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in

Meaning?