Re: Priests as freedom fighters

On Fri, 07 Mar 2025 18:59:52 -0800, Dr.Who <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Mar 7, 2025, Steve Hayes wrote
>(Message-ID:<[email protected]>):
>
>> On Thu, 06 Mar 2025 20:39:46 -0800, Dr.Who<[email protected]>  wrote:
>>
>> > On Mar 6, 2025, Steve Hayes wrote
>> > (Message-ID:<[email protected]>):
>> >
>> > > On Thu, 6 Mar 2025 19:54:12 +0300, "Oleg Smirnov"<[email protected]>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Steve Hayes,<news:[email protected]>
>> > > > > On Wed, 5 Mar 2025 11:31:12 +0300, "Oleg Smirnov" <[email protected]>
>> > > >
>> > > > > > > > Any authority is a good from God, it's established by God.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Indeed, but when it is corrupt, its corruption is not from God.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > It's sinful to think one can know God's will/plan in full.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Holy Scripture says clearly any authority is established by
>> > > > > > God, whereas a Christian's duty is to submit to authorities
>> > > > > > rather than "fight" against what he or she may dislike.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > St Peter and St John seem to disagree with you:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Act 4:19-29 - But Peter and John answered and said unto them, Whether
>> > > > > it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto
>> > > > > God, judge ye. For we cannot but speak the things which we have seen
>> > > > > and heard.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Act 5:28-29 - Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should
>> > > > > not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with
>> > > > > your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us. Then
>> > > > > Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God
>> > > > > rather than men.
>> > > >
>> > > > Here "men" is generic, while "authorities" is more specific,
>> > > > and since an authority is a gift from God, obendience to God
>> > > > implies obendience to what is established by God.
>> > >
>> > > When Enver Hoxha was the ruler of Albania he gave a similar order.
>> > > Some did not obey it and continued to worship God. Were they thereby
>> > > wrongly disobeying what God had established?
>> >
>> > He banned places of worship such as mosques and churches. He did not ban
>> > worshipping gods.
>>
>> Enver Hoxha banned *talking* about gods, just as those mentioned in
>> the book of Acts of the Apostles did to St Peter and St John. Freedom
>> of thought, yes. Freedom of speech, no.
>
>In the Book of Acts it was the religious leaders that ‘banned’ Peter and 
>John. In what way was that similar to Enver? After all, false prophets are 
>false prophets.

And your point is?

>
>Enver Hoxha desired to ban thought as well as freedom of speech. Declaring 
>that the religion of atheism was the theme of the day. Although he may not 
>have put it in those terms, yet atheism is a belief system.

So he, like the Jewish leaders at the time of the Apostles, was a
relgious leader. 

>
>>
>> Teachers used to ask children at school what they had been eating at
>> home during Lent and Ramadan, and passed this information on to the
>> enforcement authorities.
>
>I was unaware of that. He obviously failed at accomplishing his goals as the 
>country allowed religion after his death. He aspired to be a leader like Marx



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