Re: 5950X or 14900K?

On Sun, 7 Jan 2024 04:33:29 -0500, Paul wrote:
> On 1/6/2024 1:57 AM, David Chmelik wrote:
>> On Fri, 5 Jan 2024 10:54:29 -0500, Paul wrote:
>>> On 1/5/2024 2:30 AM, David Chmelik wrote:
[...]
> I see what you're after -- Intel dangling their half-assed ECC again
> [...].
> While I admire your bravery going this route (to get ECC, to get one PCI
> slot), you're giving up a lot to get there. [...]

Apparently so.  I just seek powerful enough full-to-extended ATX/SSI-CEB 
with PCI slot.  ECC is nice but not major issue (though should be).  I had 
ECC from 2006 to 2012 on my Tyan K8QSD Pro (SSI-MEB) workstation.  Since 
2012 ECC wasn't available for my system-boards (old IBM term, and Apple 
used to say logic-boards).  My BioStar has ECC capability but when I saw 
that I'd already bought 64GB (non-ECC) RAM.
    If I could find system-board (with PCI slot) for current most-powerful 
Ryzen or maybe even (saving up months) AMD EPYC CPU, I'd use one, since 
clearly better for building/compiling/making than Intel (lagging behind 
cores/threads).
    On the other hand I dislike AMD's platform security processor (PSP) 
more than Intel's (can be disabled) management engine (ME) but if  
building/compiling/making hours or overnight even with Ryzen 9 also using  
distcc/icecc servers, then with less powerful workstations/servers, such 
as capable of running LibreBoot, it'll eventually/already take maybe a 
week...

> Good luck in your search for the "perfect motherboard".

Thanks!  Great help reading details/tests you described.  Though I'm still 
learning about some of those, apparently best choice is wait.  SuperMicro 
system-board I mentioned clearly isn't high-Wattage enough so would only 
be worth buying less-powerful CPU for, which likely is neither as powerful 
as my current one nor signifcantly more powerful to justify expense.
    Another computer programmer I know said DDR5 SDRAM isn't significantly 
faster than DDR4 SDRAM for him to even consider upgrading, even if his PC 
might be slightly old... he thought they were kind of exaggerating what 
newer RAM does.  I know they did various tricks to send more information 
with each electrical wave, but for a long time, numbers aren't the actual 
Hertz, just multiples with hardware tricks.  I'd still build DDR5 SDRAM 
workstation someday, but wait for system-boards that can run more powerful 
CPUs full-speed.
    I currently use two PCI slots: one for UMAX PowerLook 2100XL 
12x18" (304x457mm) scanner (SCSI-2) which fortunately someone on Libera 
Internet Relay Chat (IRC) #hardware explained can use PCI-express (PCIe) 
SCSI card with SCSI-to-SCSI2 cable, and another PCI slot for my Creative 
Labs SoundBlaster Audigy 2ZS sound-card with front panel with volume knobs 
& audio sockets.  I could use an ESI Maya44 XTE sound-card to plugin same 
equipment and small volume knob boxes cables plugin each end, which is a 
mess!  Don't know why sound-card companies quit making front panels and 
falsely call external digital-analog-converter (DAC) boxes 'sound-
cards'...