Re: choosing a motherboard

On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 01:42:52 -0400, Paul <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On 3/29/2024 9:31 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>
>> I was kinda attracted to this pre-built
>> https://www.newegg.com/yeyian-ypi-pg49kfc-47y1n-phoenix-glass/p/N82E16883630052?Item=N82E16883630052
>
>Do any computer stores near you, do builds ?

I've been meaning to check that, but have been too lazy. It's a small
town, only a couple of them. They don't advertise builds. And as yet I
don't really KNOW what I want yet.
>
>Some, in the "services" section of their web site, have
>prices such as
>
>Price for basic hardware assembly:          $100
>
>Price for basic hardware assembly + Win11:  $200
>
>These are prices over material cost of the components.
>
>Now, not all local computer stores are "reputable",
>and this option only makes sense if you've done business
>before with them, and they're "square dealers".
>
>Mine for example, gives 30 days return on a certain
>number of hardware types. Some items are "manufacturer
>warranty only" kind of thing. I don't care, as long
>as they tell me in advance what their policy is.
>
>When a $60 HDD I bought, was DOA when I got it home,
>there was no problem getting a swap for another one.
>A lot less work than wrapping the stinker of a drive
>up and shipping it back somewhere. That's my first DOA,
>in over thirty hard drive purchases (and 100% of the
>drives are supposed to be tested, too). The store no longer
>sells big HDD, so the dinky drives are all they carry.
>
>*******
>
>In terms of core count, a 6C 12T is about as much as
>basic Windows gets an advantage from. Some of the
>6C 12T processors, are cooled by straight aluminum coolers
>(no copper, not even any heatpipes). The processors
>are relatively low power, because the clock rate best
>case might only be 4.5GHz turbo.

6 cores 12 threads, thank you Google Search. I'm a bit nervous about
liquid cooling anyway. 4GHz sounds like a lot to me anyway. I'm
running a shade over 3GHz, I think. Though CPU-Z only shows core at a
little over 2. Abit has a Guru and let's you play with overclocking. I
blew the machine up multiple times and had to Restore before I finally
gave up on it. The 3.2GHz figure comes from that Guru. 
>
>Maybe gaming uses 8 cores.

Solitaire is my game. Don't need a fancy graphics board either, but
putting it on the cpu chip makes me nervous. i'd rather replace a
board I think.
>
>Maybe compressing files with 7ZIP, uses (at most) 32 cores.
>
>When you get a monster chip, those will throttle if
>they get too hot. Now you need a $120.00 air cooler
>or (if you listen to their advice), water cooling
>for the new CPU. Using a decent cooler, allows
>the closed loop cooling system to work in a stable
>manner. The BIOS will adjust the fan speed for you.
>
>When you do a build at a local computer store, they
>should be able to print off various "levels" of
>computers for you. An "email" PC. A "gamer" PC.
>A "God" PC. Each with a different price. There is
>some room for substitution, if you want a
>different case. If you don't like their 850W PSU
>choice, you may be able to select another brand.
>The staff actually know which brands and units
>have a high defect rate, and they might whisper
>"don't take that one, we've got returns on those"
>and they can help you pick a better one.
>
>Nobody is going to cool VCore properly for you,
>so you have to plan ahead and buy a case with the
>room for experimentation. For low-power 6C 12T
>systems, this would normally not be an issue.

For years, I think back when my psu started going bad, I started
leaving the left side cover off, I'd have to hunt to find it now.
Replacement psu is 850watts. I learned here that they lose a bit of
power each year and did NOT want to replace it again. 
Do you think with a more powerful cpu and a few on board ssds, would a
new build have to wear the side panel all the time or could I leave it
open to my computer room. I find it a great convenience not to have to
remove the damn panel all the time.
>
>The problem with "super-remote" hand-builds, is
>the response you get when there is trouble. I've
>talked to people who have been treated in an outrageous
>manner before. It's not a pleasant topic.
>
>There's a few pictures here, of builds.
>
>https://www.microcenter.com/search/builds.aspx

Hot damn! That last is going to keep me entertained for months.
Hopefully without hemmoraging my savings into NewEgg.
>
>   Paul