Re: W11 support?

On Mon, 9/8/2025 11:09 PM, T wrote:
> Hi Paul,
> 
> My experience is that the CPU is usually sitting doing
> almost nothing.  My "perceived" performance has everything
> to do with the data drive.  I do adore NVMe drives.
> 
> -T

Absolutely it works like that.

We pay a lot of money for "peak performance".
We want a job done in a hurry, when there is a job
to do. We want the machine to not waste electricity
when there are no tasks to perform.

When the CPU gets big enough, people use the power by
"starting five compute jobs at once". At some point,
you can't type fast enough, to keep the cores loaded :-)

An "ideal" CPU would be four cores running at 6GHz,
but they won't allow us to have those, instead
teasing us with 24 cores running at 6GHz, or 4 cores
running at 4GHz. We have to take the bloat (the $1000 CPU),
to get top-clock. That's Marketing101 at Intel.

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You give your CPU enough horsepower to "keep your interest".
That means 0.25 second response time (some kind of response
showing the machine is alive). That's why this project
is not using a Celeron 300.

I find the Direct2D response is all over the place, Sometimes
I see what passes for "stuttering", other times it is smooth.
Video card should be in Slot 1, so there is no "bandwidth excuse"
for the stuttering. The lower slot, as handy as it is, flows
through the Southbridge. Same goes for the impact of the
NVMe usage -- top slot is usually right off the CPU pins.
Other slots, not so much. These computer designs would
make a lot more sense, if split x8/x8 and then the second
PCIe slot could be used for an NVMe carrier card (=CPU pin access).

I had one video card, purchased on purpose so it would stutter.
I needed a PCI video card back in the AGP days, while I flashed
up my Mac AGP video card in a PC (after making the cuts and
straps to run it in a PC). The only slots in that case, would
be PCI slots (slow). The stuttering was spotted while doing
QuickTime video playback (on Windows). The video frame, if you
dragged the video frame, it seemed to be copied by the CPU
rather than composited via the video card. The kind of stuttering
I'm referring to on my current desktop, is not like that. It's possibly
a driver level issue, an interrupt servicing issue, something
like that. It's a lower latency version of a stutter.

I would not purchase slow hardware, to make some kind of point.
You want enough horsepower so the desktop response stays
out of the mud. You can always find ways to turn a fast CPU down
(if the thermals are an issue).

There really isn't enough feedback from the audience here

   https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/yerpvm/settings_for_intels_13th_generation_to_be_near/

but your options would be:

1) Set the BIOS power limit to below the 253W turbo value.
2) Turn off core locking (that is likely the default, is locking off).

   Turn off Turbo if (1) is not enough,
      which should limit thermal to the "base" power number.

   You still use a 250W air cooler (the AK620 is relatively quiet, and
   the Noctua would be as well).

In other words, during your adaptive build, you have some
controls to work with. If you are a belt and suspenders person,
then buy a jolly three-fan-water-cooler-with-reservoir-and-pump
and that is going to smother any possible sin :-) The manufacturers
of the CPUs, are likely to be "recommending" water for cooling,
and especially for any product where there is no in-box cooler.
My current daily driver, came with a Wraith Stealth, and since I
already had the (erroneous) Noctua blow-down cooler, that's been
fitted instead to make some use of it. Excess coolers always
come in handy for some purpose (stirring paint) :-)

On an AMD system, you'd just set the BIOS schema to "ECO" and
that would be tuned for low power for you. Then, if on a given
day, you need moar power for gaming, just move the BIOS
control back to "Normal" and off you go.

   Paul