Re: Grand Barn has its place but it shouldn't replace nudism

On Nov 16, 12:23=A0pm, Anna <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Nov 16, 9:59=A0am, Peter Riden <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > On Nov 12, 6:56=A0pm, Anna <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > On Nov 12, 2:18=A0pm, Zee <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > yeah i liked richard also but i dont think he thought i did...and t=
hat
> > > > is sad....but he appeared to be in good health so i think he is sti=
ll
> > > > around....after a decade in rec nude we have seen many just go away=
 to
> > > > moderated groups where they can get the bright side of their cult a=
nd
> > > > that is life....the swallows thing happened i think on that west co=
ast
> > > > trip i made with my rv which i believe swallows was the first stop =
and
> > > > then up the coast to a few other spots including the one richard
> > > > belonged to and then to the kinitchu...sp....in spokane..and back d=
own
> > > > to shrangri la in az where is was a member.....i would say that was
> > > > around the mid eighties...not real sure ...i could check my credit
> > > > card records to be sure.....Anna i think with a few like you and i =
and
> > > > nikki...and a lady that was here before you with 3 sons of which on=
e
> > > > was terribly ill and she had worked for olive dell and willy of az =
at
> > > > the hot spgs...and was a retired school teacher from ca....some of =
the
> > > > nudist are becoming sane and the illusion of a holy cult is becomin=
g
> > > > reality to some of them...that is good and the adult nudism is real=
ly
> > > > taking hold now and that is where it should have been all
> > > > along.....have a nice weekend....z
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> > Hi to you, again, Bill!!
> > ON~Anna likes Richard Cummings because, like "Anna", R. C. was vainly
> > trying to put THE GRAND BARN down. I don't miss the guy a bit. But his
> > few friends must. I might get it back from hibernation/the dead just
> > by posting this..;-)
> > Now, what I read next does explain a little more the steady confusion
> > ON~Anna has towards THE GRAND BARN versus its personal own fantasies.
> > I answer to this because THE GRAND BARN is, again, wrongly presented
> > from "Anna" confused and thwarted desires.> Yeah, that may be the answe=
r but I do feel sorry for the kids who
> > > won't get the experience of running around =A0naked and skinny dippin=
g
> > > and such but it is better than them getting abused. And I worry that
> > > if the children aren't around then more nudist places would become
> > > sexualized. =A0I really enjoy being naked on my property, in my house=
,
> > > gardening, in my hot tub, in my swimming pool, naked with no sexual
> > > connotations. And my husband is thinking about building a sauna and I
> > > might get a horse next year where I can be Lady Godiva so I feel I
> > > have everything I want for my own private nudist park. But of course
> > > most people don't have the opportunity so they will never feel the jo=
y
> > > which is nudity with no sexual connotations. =A0Sure I and my husband
> > > has done the other kind of social nudity too and there's nothing like
> > > sex out in the stars so, yeah, believe it or not I DO SUPPORT Fuck
> > > Farms like the Grand Barn(in concept).
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> > Why ON~Anna is fixated with fucking up while those coming at THE GRAND
> > BARN =A0tend to show enjoyment in socializing with one another in a
> > mature, respectful and non-fucking way, is evidence that "Anna" is
> > subtlety trying to keep up with its vendetta and not subtle enough to
> > be perceived otherwise by those who know better.
> > In fact, most would be feeling deceived by ON~Anna's words if they
> > were to come at TGB. They'd find it rather tamed although very serene
> > and contagiously appealing. And dominantly nature-oriented. Of course
> > there is more than mere Nudity when it comes to TGB as it has long
> > been welcoming other positive, insightfully inclined participants from
> > many visionary and networking dispositions. Now that the new
> > generation has quite taken over the orientation/direction seen at TGB,
> > it might appear even more focused on what this new generation is
> > seeking. So, misrepresenting TGB as is done by ON~Anna might be even
> > more flagrant than ever before.
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> > > I would never go myself because
> > > I wouldn't like the fact that I would be around other people having
> > > sex and watching me have sex but I understand how a couple might want
> > > to have the outdoor sex experience and as long as the place is
> > > described specifically as such then fine again most don't have the
> > > advantage of property that I do.
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> > >http://www.nudistday.com/article/a-barn-not-so-grand.html
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> > > But of course why I stress a nonsexualed environment at nudist venues
> > > is because if I don't every every venue would turn into a "Grand
> > > Barn". =A0
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> > Sorry to say but you're too late, "Anna".
> > Most venues are turning in the likes of THE GRAND BARN.
> > They have long understood the dynamics at work and have rejected the
> > rhetoric you and few others have vainly tried to perpetuate.
> > Welcome to the real world and if you fell bad about it... tough luck.
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> I believe too many nudist venues have turned into the likes of THE
> GRAND BARN but not all or even most of them.
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> > > Every Nudist venue would be sexualized. And I have found, and
> > > I am sure many if most nudists would agree, that being nude without i=
t
> > > being about sex is very enjoyable. It's not only the kids who will
> > > miss out if "Adult" nudism becomes the norm but anyone who just wants
> > > to be able to go skinny dipping or lay naked in the sun and have it
> > > mean nothing more than that.
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> > For the few hypocrites who will play offended, the masses do welcome
> > the reality that is now presented at many venues joining the rolling
> > initiated by Peter Riden and friends....;-)
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> Many others like the nonsexualized environment of a real nudist venue.
> I wouldn't say there's a mass of people but the Grand Barn does serve
> a certain clientele that we want to keep from nudist venues,
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> > > If going to a nudist venue I know that only people wanting to have se=
x
> > > is there indeed that would make me feel uncomfortable to strip off.
> > > Maybe exhibitionists would love it but I am not one. =A0I wouldn't be
> > > going nude to show myself off. Of course I know they will see me
> > > naked, but that's not supposed to be the purpose of my nudity, just a=
n
> > > obvious result. But the purpose of my nudity should be just how I fee=
l
> > > being nude and that should be why they are there too. Just to be nude=
.
> > > Not to see people nude although of course they will. But the purpose
> > > is supposed to be nude in a comfortable environment and a sexualized
> > > environment would just make it all sleazy (and again for people who
> > > love sleazy, great, but not at a nudist venue because nudism is
> > > supposed to be non-sexualized social nudity).
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> > The sleazy ones will go your way, "Anna". The classy and free-spirited
> > ones keep coming our way.
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> Call it what you will but it's not nudism and I thought you had
> acknowledged that.
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> > And now many other venues have joined in our ranks and it's most
> > welcome.
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> Start your own organization. Whatever. Just continue to not call these
> places nudists and naturist places.- Hide quoted text -
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well Anna....so where is this suitable nudist or naturist site gonna
be located or does it exist now ...and you hope it will transform into
a child friendly venue.....have i missed one somewhere in my past that
you have great expectations for....regards....z