Re: usenet is on it's way out?

On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 04:01:31 -0000, He Who Sees All  
<[email protected]> wrote:

> On Thu, 21 Dec 2023 17:49:27 -0000, slider <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 21 Dec 2023 12:56:19 -0000, He Who Sees All
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 18 Dec 2023 00:16:38 -0000, slider <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> this notice from google:
>>>>
>>>> Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new
>>>> Usenet content. Posting and subscribing will be disallowed, and new
>>>> content from Usenet peers will not appear. Viewing and searching of
>>>> historical data will still be supported as it is done today.
>>>>
>>>> more info:
>>>> https://support.google.com/groups/answer/11036538?visit_id=638384538633507781-1106593618&p=usenet&rd=1
>>>>
>>>> ### - first they acquired them & now they're gonna be denying access  
>>>> to
>>>> them...
>>>>
>>>> what comes after that is anyone's guess?
>>>>
>>>> they're saying it's still gonna be accessible via 'other' clients etc,
>>>> but
>>>> didn't google actually acquire dejaNews thus keeping it all going?
>>>>
>>>> or maybe i gots that all wrong, i dunno...
>>>>
>>>> chances are tho' it's all being gradually phased out as being
>>>> out-moded/redundant
>>>>
>>>> or maybe it'll be preserved like the dinosaurs or summat heh...
>>>>
>>>> for google anyway it's the end of newsgroups, and the end of an era
>>>>
>>>> (well at least it'll make old thang happy huh...)
>>>
>>> In this day and age, happiness is overstated.
>>>
>>> Your clickbait is nonsense and you know it.  i'M glad (not happy) that
>>> all those morons using google groups to post either won't post in
>>> future, will need to use a classy setup for text like eternal
>>> september or will actually have to pay a premium outfit to post to
>>> both text and binaries and DL from both.
>>>
>>> They said usenet was finished in the late '90's.  Said it again in
>>> 2002.  And again in 2015.  It's still here and thriving you just need
>>> to know where to look :)
>>
>> ### - smile, oh it's prolly still gonna be there somewhere in the
>> background, but google are entirely profit/loss based and apparently  
>> it's
>> becoming no longer viable to continue with...
>
> Google has nothing to do with usenet.  Usenet is a distributed network
> promulgated throughout global spools/servers which are increasing even
> binary retention day by day - the best backbone has binaries back to
> 2008, that's petabytes of binaries (ebooks, mags, pics, movies, you
> name it) for the last 15 years.  As hard drives increase in capacity
> (soon to be up to 50tb) so too does retention of binairies.
>
> Google bought the old text archive Deja News (text back to 1995) which
> won't disappear.  September and others, and the good paid backbones,
> have all text back to 2003.  The text groups I keep, such as the
> present group, I retain all posts on my PC triple backups back to
> 2003.  I have for instance very single post in this group back to 2003
> on my PC.  It will never be lost.  I have precisely 140tb of storage
> on my system comprising 11 internal drives plus 2 external detachable
> drives.  Am I saying too much?  Probably.  However, I just want to
> demonstrate that you don't know the first thing about what you are
> posting.  People such as you should remain silent, as the old saying
> goes, otherwise you risk proving to your audience what they thought
> all along...

### - yawn, nada to discuss there, all of the above being common knowledge  
apart from your hording/boasting of tb's of basically useless data that no  
one in their right mind would even bother collecting?

i mean, i too used to dl music and films when napster first came out, just  
for the novelty of it all, and then utorrent for many years also albeit  
with less and less avid interest in doing so, until just the occasional  
film/book was really all it was about anymore, the uk eventually banning  
all access to torrent sites putting an end to it, at least for moi...



>> eternal september being just about the only free one left for text-only
>> access with people having to fork-out monthly for anything more useful,
>> everyone feeling the pinch of lower/overly taxed incomes there's now
>> plenty other all-singing/dancing options for similar groups online:
>> reddit, instagram, facebook, telegram and all the rest of 'em, all  
>> pushing
>> usenet farther & farther into the background, and obscurity eventually
>> except for maybe an increasingly select few who "know where to look"
>
> What do you want free for?

### - because for me that was the original novelty of the whole thing to  
begin with: free music, free films woo-hoo...




> Pay for a block or two, that's all you
> need, say use Paypal to buy a couple of Black Friday deals, 2tb block
> for around $12USD.  That's not much fella.  Not much at all.  It will
> do you until they lower you into the hole.

### - would you pay a monthly sub of £10 for which you only ever used £1  
per month of?

of course not... and neither will i





> As for "social media", well that's for the morons who don't understand
> the net at all.  TG is not too bad, it's unmoderated, run by a couple
> of expat Russians in Dubai, even steven between all proponents (for
> instance, Russia -v- Ukraine) and totally uncensored.  I used it for
> the two years I had a pro-Ukraine Twitter account until I got fucking
> bored as shit with the mud war and left my account to fester (probably
> still got a few thousand die hard followers there, it was a popular
> account, I lost count of the times I was suspended :).
>
> Jewbook?  Zuckerberg evidently boycotting pro-Palestine posts there
> and got caught out.  Like I said earlier, the only thing missing on
> the Israeli flag, after killing >20k Palestinians, is the swastika.
> You put your trust in Facebook?  Or in Instagram (just as bad)?  The
> marching morons would be proud of you.
>
> Reddit is not too bad.  Parts are too heaviliy censored for me.  I
> have an account there.  I rarerly use it.
>
> None of these push Usenet into the background, it has always BEEN in
> the background.  It is possible on some accounts to post only in PGP
> protected and use remailers/pseudonyms to post using also TOR (the
> onion router) to strip headers such that even NSA couldn't parse the
> contents.  That appeals to some.  For me, too much energy, but it is
> only one of the ways that Usenet will exist forever.

### - ah yes, all that secrecy-stuff hehe... like pgp for instance, which,  
if am not mistaken, turned out to be 'invented' (perforce with a hidden  
backdoor) by some government agency expressly interested in spying on  
people who like to do shit in secret and then feel safe doing it openly  
while hiding behind the likes of pgp? lol :D

there IS no privacy.




>> the earlier, rather optimistic/hopeful vision, of a free + totally
>> unrestricted internet slowly fading as anything 'free' gradually
>> disappears under the predictable lock & chargeable key
>
> That's the present era not just usenet.

### - but that's been exactly my point all along from 20+ years ago, that  
that's precisely the way the world is going (being made/forced to go  
actually) regardless of the overly optimistic overtures of a tiny  
shrinking minority who indulged (and still do) in imagining there's still  
something 'special' about the internet?

that they 'allowed' it to look that way merely for the purposes of  
popularising it, and now that everyone's hooked to it in one way or  
another for just about everything they do; the screws are being slowly  
tightened and locked-down as everyone gets systematically milked by it,  
and there's fuck all anyone can do about it!

that it was 'inevitable' things would eventually go that way and no other,  
because THAT's the world we live in, even 20+ years ago!




> Usenet access is damn cheap
> believe me.  Even free if you want to abstain from binaries.  If you
> know where and how to look, the very latest movies, series and books
> are all available just as soon as they are collated.  It's far safer
> for those who live in oppressive regimes such as the USA and the UK
> (but not Australia, here pirating is completely safe) - for instance,
> you can use free search services such as Binsearch.info to find
> practically anything posted on Usenet over the last 10 years, or
> NZBKing or other free services.  I do it all the time.

### - and you STILL haven't gotten bored with it all yet huh?



> You, on the other hand, were scared shitless to even pirate a simple
> movie using uTorrent.  Scaredy cat who clearly makes your way through
> life as a cowering coward, scared of authority and the dreaded knock
> on the door.  Probably as timid as hell too if someone bumps into you
> in the street, or throws some insult at you, soft hands, big talk on
> the net.  I showed you the way, using Opera and its inbuilt VPN, to
> get around obstacles such as DNS blocking, you thanked me.  But Usenet
> was always available to you, except you would have had to pay a
> pittance for a block or god forbid, a monthly sub.

### - nope haha, i merely noted/lamented the passing of general access to  
torrent sites when the uk blocked them all, the very infrequent use i made  
of it dl-ing the occasional movie not being worth the convoluted means  
then required to continue with it, the opera browser extending that same  
simple access was cool...




> In a nutshell, you are again misinformed, ill informed or just
> ignorant, yet you post showing you ignorance to the world (or to the
> one or two aging people who still look in here from time to time).
>>
>> you personally appearing to be recently very happy indeed that this
>> particular group was dying, even though at one time, not that long ago,
>> you were asserting the very opposite and how you personally were gonna  
>> do
>> "whatever it takes" to keep it alive? (which was what i meant by its
>> demise maybe making 'you' happy)
>
> Brian, you never changed your mind?  You been inflexible since birth?
> I wasn't happy it had died, I was probing trying to elicit some sort
> of response, which I got (from you).  The other guy, the one in
> California, may as well be dead.  His posts from 15 years or so ago
> were literate, some even eloquent - those days are long gone, he is
> hard pressed to even post a simple one line of coherent words in a
> semi-grammatical way now, the effects of age, probably poor nutrition,
> lack of complexity in a stale life etc etc.  Off to the nursing home
> ye go, me hearty...
>
>
>>
>> or perhaps you were ultimately just saying all that for effect then huh,
>> click bait as you say
>
> I was, you're right.  Read above.

### - i knew all that though and again indulged you, coz no one else here  
could be bothered to even give you the time of day mate... lol am the only  
'friend' you gots left here (which is kinda ironic considering how you  
shat on me that time huh)




>> either way, the future doesn't actually look too bright for usenet going
>> forward, 'especially' if it eventually ends up in the hands of
>> secret/hidden societies; the very opposite then of what all those
>> freedom-loving anarchists at one time rather naively believed in?
>
> Look on reddit /usenet.  It's evolving as we speak. It will never die.
> New groups all the time.  Old ones being re-inhabited.  Completely
> uncensored.  Just the way I like it, wild west.... :)

### - it's not evolving, it's dying, just like everything else on this  
planet...

this new generation doesn't even know what usenet is anymore! and have  
even less interest in it!

that it's not going anywhere, don't you understand?

e.g., you started that pro-ukraine group only to then realise, 2 years  
later, that it was a totally useless + time wasting enterprise that only  
attracted like-minded flag-waving die-hard morons like yourself! failing  
to realise that it was YOU and your behaviour they were following??

to your credit though, you eventually realised the utter futility of it  
all and dropped it, and imho that was real learning!

unfortunately, you also failed to then learn your real lesson, else the  
dropping of that totally mundane & boring activity would have been  
immediately followed by the dropping of maybe a dozen or more 'equally'  
futile pursuits exactly like it: such as the divisive, trump-like 'act'  
you STILL persist in putting on here for instance??

that you're not yet 'bored' with THAT when it's EXACTLY the same shit!?

if you had, however, you would have in the process 'also' realised that  
said 'real learning' only ever takes place when bs/empty-pursuits are  
dropped and room is thus made that allows more of it to occur!

that there's TWO worlds out there see? a world of utter time wasting,  
flag-waving bs that no one in their right mind would ever even bother with  
(have called that wallyworld heh) and a completely 'different' world where  
people NEVER do that or EVER get involved in such nonsense because they've  
already identified all that crap and moved on...

look, i know where you're coming from and it's not gonna be easy for you,  
but you've GOT to try or else 'remain' where you are in bs-world! plus you  
even know now HOW to do it!

and you can't bring all your old bs with you either because the dropping  
of bs is precisely what opens that door to more real learning!

so choose/make a choice!





>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocLCLMZO6dc
>>
>> "have been through the desert on a horse with no name
>> it felt good to be out from the rain..."
>
>
> Yeah, yeah, yeah...

### - yeah yeah yeah??

nah, methinks that was the beatles haha ;)