Re: Betrayel

someone wrote:
> % wrote:
> 
>> everyone can be all or part of the total
> 
> Moving the goal-posts, everyone
> can do anything. Everyone is affected
> by everything and when an example shows
> how not everyone can nor does, then an other
> example is given to suggest everyone would be if ...
> 
> Mirrors may affect everyone.
> Then again, some are unable to see, to know.
> They can't see and don't know their own reflection.
> 
> Logically speaking, presumptions, axioms and such
> allow for a conclusion to be valid without being sound.
> Logical fallacies are known by logicians to include a few.
> 
> Epistemologically speaking, to know, without doubt,
> everyone is or would be affected by a substance, a noun,
> a thing, falls into a category of not being able to be.
> 
> Lots of people might insist, nouns exist.
> Their definition of what existence is may vary.
> 
> A state attained or obtained by some people
> may be called mystical, ecstatic, religious, etc.
> 
> Not everyone who takes mushrooms has a mystical
> or religious type of experience nor becomes a sage.
> 
> That was a point being made, until, far from being
> a sage, a statement was made about effects
> that, ahem, everyone will experience.
> 
> Even in a set and setting predisposed to afford
> such a type of experience, not all people will.
> Some might have a horrible experience.
> 
> When a so-called, individual, is already at
> an ecstatic state, to then presume a substance,
> a mushroom or an acid, will have an effect
> can be done, even though it does not.
> 
> Neem Karori Baba was reported to have been
> unaffected by a substance. To know what it does
> does not entail being affected by it.
> 
> When some body is already moving at light speed,
> that body is immediately where it is seen to be going
> by viewers who view it as going some where.
> 
> Statements were made about other people,
> e.g. Tolle, Chopra. To miss a point is possible.
> People who were diagnosed as being ill.
> 
> Whether a necessary predisposition exists
> in order to arrive at a place of no place
> might place a body in the physical.
> 
> Some people might insist they are bodies.
> Other people may say they have bodies.
> 
> What is called, mental illness, varies
> as it is defined and redefined by cultures.
> 
> With a form of ego-loss, some non-dualists may speak,
> knowing full well how such talk doesn't go to show
> others who think, feel and/or know, they are.
> 
> Once upon a time, an individual arrived at a point
> where there was no individuality and he appeared
> to be as it were God. Paranormal activities were a
> common enough manifestation of his, siddhis.
> 
> Ram Dass was impressed. His guru was God
> as far as he was concerned at the time. Baba
> had the answers Richard was looking for.
> 
> When he was ready, his guru appeared.
> The guru knew where he was the night before,
> thinking about his mother who had died, etc.
> 
> He was above being affected by mushrooms, acid
> and other substances known to have an effect
> on most mortal men and women.
> 
> Within a philosophy called Daojia, a parent
> as it were of Zen, a phenomenon called
> immortality may occur. Transcending,
> as if in a butterfly dreaming it was
> an other more than Zhuangzi.
> 
> When an individual is no longer an individual,
> to be affected by what effects a substance has
> might be subjected to words. Ore knots.
> 
> - thanks! Cheers!
> 
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