Re: Betrayel

slider wrote:
> one wrote:
>
>> When winners exist, losers exist
>> which sounds kinda like a game.
>
>### - debating isn't a game,

If, for you, it isn't or
by definition it isn't, then,
it might be semantics or 
simply how you see.

The debate that is a debate
might be great or simply for fun, imo.

> it's an intelligent way of getting at the  
>truth of an issue, a win-win scenario for both sides because everyone  
>comes out the better for it even if they lose the debate,

To surrender to win occurs at times.

To let go and allow to be. A question
emerges regarding higher powers or a
Higher Power if there is a singularity.

> the main thing  
>is the argument has evolved some, and even if nothing definitive is  
>arrived at, at least one argument (the losing one) has been dismissed from  
>the equation no matter how much appeal (emotional or otherwise) it might  
>have previously had... and overall that's an advance see?

Given various presumptions, yes.
Science and mathematics may use such a way.

Psychology might depend more on a society
in terms of what is defined as well or ill.

Debates about what is right and/or wrong
might change over time, reverse, modified, etc.

> both sides get a  
>win regardless of the outcome because knowledge has been advanced a  
>fraction...

Seeing as how you appear to see debate happening,
thus far, in this thread, what new knowedge have you seen?

>there's a very nice movie about it that explains the above in detail
>
>just cut through all the hollywood-esq bs added to sell movies, and at the  
>heart of it there's human awareness, discipline & advancement...
>
>https://ok.ru/video/2387686132251

Website has something about cookies being required. 

>(an important movie)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Debaters

No idea how that relates to WILD nor Christ
or cosmic consciousness, mental illness, healing
the world or people who live on a surface.

Some people see the world as in trouble,
the end is near, paranoia may be their mode.
Fear might be a driving energy for them.

As for Taoism seeing
as how that's a group in to which this cross-
posted thread continues and I post from,
a technique is to not try to win, grow
nor to change the world.

The world is said to be sacred.
Trying to change it is not advised.

Lots of people see what is wrong.
They could be called the trouble seers.
Looking for problems they might be views
as being the trouble makers.

Looking at sides can be a potential view,
toward a form of unity consciousness
as compared to forms of duality
like what occurs in a debate.

Some people who are diagnosed with mental
phenomena might be able to heal others
and yet not be able to quite fit with
various cultures naturally.

Theirs could be a difficult Road, Way, Tao.

Some Taoists might be reclusive, like shamans
except different. To find a Tao, a Way, that works
for a so-called individual may take time for
time beings tend to be normal.

- thanks! Cheers!