Re: Betrayel

slider wrote:

>### - to be involved/not-involved is only an illusion, the perceptual  
>result of a divided mind...

It's more of an experience for me.

All of reality can be called a simulation, an illusion,
created by neurons in a brain inside a cranium. Yet
to say such a saying could be called an illusion or a
result of a divided mind.

>we have no actual choice in the matter because we didn't buy tickets to  
>come here, so 'everything' in the world/universe IS involved by dint of it  
>just being here, whether it chooses to accept it or not, denies it or not,  
>that's all just words/narrative in his head...

Some people say there is no free-will, no choice.

Some say there is, obviously, and the pov of there being 
no free-will is a perspective that emerges which viewing
so-called things in a so-called world/universe at a level.

Some say reality is a Great Dream Drama and
when awakening a view can be how both choice
and no choice are sides of a coin of a realm.

>there is no choice: if you're IN the world then one IS automatically part  
>of it whatever IT is, the universe is our home, our natural environment,  
>it has created us (and everything else) as an expression of itself that we  
>mere mortals have yet to realise, may never be 'able' to realise fully :)

Sounds as if the presumptions involve beings, e.g. you,
and a world. It appears similar to a physicalist/materialist view.

To presume a noun-thing, the Universe, exists, is possible.

To think, it, created, other so-called, things in particulars 
can be to think a thought in a train or stream of thoughts.

Reminds one of the Chuang-tzu, Chapter 3.

https://terebess.hu/english/chuangtzu.html#3

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