Re: Betrayel

slider wrote:
> one wrote:
>> slider wrote:
>>> one wrote:
>>
>>>> Sounds like an evangelism failure.
>>>
>>> ### - well that's exactly what the frog said too lol, and closed the  
>>> door?
>>
>> Not in the tale I've read.
>
>### - i know, i know... i changed the story to put a different spin on it  
>so you could 'see' what i was saying/suggesting... and so now there are 2  
>version of the frog-story and neither is correct because that's all just  
>words and words are not the measure of truth, they only have the meanings  
>we give them :)

Okay. Sounds like sounds are noises
being made in a brain train of thought.

Reminds one of nine whirls in a stream
of consciousness hinted at when Lieh Tzu
brought a shaman to his guru, Hu Tzu.

>> A transformative experience, at the ashram.
>>
>> Returning from the mountain, taking a form
>> of bliss back to a city, trying to tell so-called
>> others who don't care and have, important
>> matters that have captivated their attention,
>> an evangelist might fail and it may suggest
>> the experience was not complete and total.
>
>### - smile, buddha was famous for hardly ever speaking, there were even  
>riots at one ashram where he was asked to give a speech to all the other  
>holy men who'd come to this important mela/celebration, a celebration that  
>only happens every 33 years, everyone gave great speeches and were  
>applauded and when it was his turn buddha got up on the stage and the  
>crowd fell silent, buddha was very famous by then and everyone wanted to  
>hear what he going to say, well he looked at the crowd for 15 minutes  
>saying nothing and then got down again haha, everyone went crazy lol...  
>his 'silent' speech saying more (and traveling farther) than all the other  
>holymen speakers before him haha (true story btw)

I've not heard of that however
there was a tale about a flower which
Siddhartha held up without saying a word.

Supposedly Ananda smiled.

>iow: in many instances just the silent 'vibe' alone of an enlightened  
>person is enough to affect everyone around them, people begin to get high  
>just from their presence alone...

Reminds me of Gurdjieff, except different.

>and yet words are important sometimes, if only to catch people's attention  
>;)

Another time was when, in a Zen garden, a monk
who'd been studying there for years and years
tending to the rocks and sand seeing it was a
huge sand tray kind of a rock garden when
suddenly a little rock went flying and he
had an immediate awakening.

- funny! Thanks! Cheers!