Re: merry xmas thang :)

On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 11:02:53 -0000, He Who Sees All  
<[email protected]> wrote:

> On Mon, 06 Jan 2025 08:08:16 -0000, slider <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 06 Jan 2025 03:07:26 -0000, He Who Sees All
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 05 Jan 2025 13:49:41 -0000, slider <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 05 Jan 2025 09:26:41 -0000, He Who Sees All
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 12:11:15 -0000, slider <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 05:16:47 -0000, He Who Sees All
>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 12:14:30 -0000, slider <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 05:22:04 -0000, He Who Sees All
>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 24 Dec 2024 19:44:09 -0000, slider <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ### - and so this is christmas
>>>>>>>>>> and what have you done
>>>>>>>>>> another year over
>>>>>>>>>> another just begun?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> smile, goodness only knows what's gonna be happening to us this
>>>>>>>>>> year
>>>>>>>>>> huh,
>>>>>>>>>> nothing very good that's for sure! trumpy in the WH apparently
>>>>>>>>>> wants
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> suez canal back, forcing massive change to the middle east all  
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>>>> from the canal and red sea through to the ocean, undoubtedly
>>>>>>>>>> backed-up
>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>> the military and whatever else it takes to control that whole  
>>>>>>>>>> vast
>>>>>>>>>> area
>>>>>>>>>> cutting right through muslim territory, and there's bugger-all
>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>> about it!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> dunno what iran's gonna do now, if anything, they've missed the
>>>>>>>>>> boat
>>>>>>>>>> (the
>>>>>>>>>> last one leaving town) and are now right royally screwed/totally
>>>>>>>>>> isolated,
>>>>>>>>>> and are prolly gonna get their head kicked-in sometime soon one
>>>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>> another...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> otherwise, russia is up next and no one really knows what  
>>>>>>>>>> they're
>>>>>>>>>> capable
>>>>>>>>>> of if/when pushed into a corner, the problem with them being  
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> 'when'
>>>>>>>>>> they decide to act they usually do so straight away without any
>>>>>>>>>> notice,
>>>>>>>>>> and as such could launch an attack whenever they think it's time
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>> and which has already come fairly close a couple of times, the
>>>>>>>>>> last
>>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>>> being when our lady prime minister (liz truss) kept paranoicly
>>>>>>>>>> peeping
>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>> the window and watching the weather channels for wind patterns
>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>> warned
>>>>>>>>>> by the US that there was a 50% chance russia was gonna launch
>>>>>>>>>> nukes
>>>>>>>>>> upon
>>>>>>>>>> ukraine and she was worried the fallout would blow towards the
>>>>>>>>>> uk... a
>>>>>>>>>> 50%
>>>>>>>>>> chance!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and the situation has become even 'more' difficult since then??
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> yup, it's gonna be a difficult year alright, especially with the
>>>>>>>>>> likes
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> trumpy ruling the roost again (still can't believe they actually
>>>>>>>>>> put
>>>>>>>>>> him
>>>>>>>>>> back in sheesh, talk about being desperate?)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> meanwhile, here's a word or 3 from probably one of the last
>>>>>>>>>> intelligent
>>>>>>>>>> people left on this planet, he's almost an old fossile himself  
>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>> (and
>>>>>>>>>> looks it lol) and it's a bit garbled, but his message is clear
>>>>>>>>>> enough
>>>>>>>>>> towards the end that humanity's down to our last chance to alter
>>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>> otherwise inevitable fate...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY9PZvK6CZs
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> our chances imho not being very good if we've reached the point
>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>> all down to trumpy to decide what happens to poor old planet
>>>>>>>>>> earth,
>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>> exactly hopeful...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And Merry Christmas to you too, Slider.  Thanks for the
>>>>>>>>> intellectual
>>>>>>>>> stimulation over the past few decades.  A shame this place is a
>>>>>>>>> ghost
>>>>>>>>> now of its former self, but a ghost is better than "never
>>>>>>>>> was...never
>>>>>>>>> will be".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ### - Castaneda's intention to close his enterprise with a "golden
>>>>>>>> key"
>>>>>>>> appears to have come to a conclusion, successful or otherwise not
>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>> being the point, he apparently being content to let 'infinity'  
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> final/ultimate say in the matter upon a job well done/impeccably
>>>>>>>> executed,
>>>>>>>> his work as a whole being no small thing, will, am sure, continue  
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> mystify people for generations to come if only because there's  
>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>> absolutely nothing like it or to compare it to, it stands  
>>>>>>>> completely
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> it's own, possibly forever...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Take good care.  I've got family over at the moment, lucky me :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ### - i've slowly lost all mine one way or another so don't have  
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> bother
>>>>>>>> anymore, lucky me haha ;)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> By the way, did I tell you I have a prescription now for 30g of
>>>>>>>>> flower
>>>>>>>>> each month for my insomnia?  It was pretty easy to get the
>>>>>>>>> prescription, next best thing to full legalisation.  It's good  
>>>>>>>>> too,
>>>>>>>>> imported from Canada, 26% THC, a puff a night and no more waking  
>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>> 02:00 and struggling to get back to sleep.  natural too, proper
>>>>>>>>> REM,
>>>>>>>>> deep sleep, all the alphas etc - and a good stone as well.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think you have the same in the UK.  Give it a belt, much better
>>>>>>>>> quality than illicit, cheaper too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ### - as kids we sleep up to 12 hours a day, and then 7 or 8 hours
>>>>>>>> per
>>>>>>>> day
>>>>>>>> as adults...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> as old timers though, we need even less sleep/rest and can often
>>>>>>>> get-by
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> just long naps...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> iow, it's not necessarily insomnia (an 'inability' to sleep) so  
>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>> old habits die hard and you haven't kept-up with the changes,
>>>>>>>> thinking
>>>>>>>> something's wrong because you no longer sleep 8 hours a day like a
>>>>>>>> young
>>>>>>>> man and struggling to 'cure' it by doping yourself up when there's
>>>>>>>> essentially nada wrong...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i.e., there can be medical/psychological reasons for insomnia in
>>>>>>>> younger
>>>>>>>> people, but in older people it might not be insomnia at all, just
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>> for less sleep + a new/different/adjusted routine to handle it
>>>>>>>> with...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> an alternative to dope is to use WILDs to correct/adjust the
>>>>>>>> situation,
>>>>>>>> e.g., i made this short video re insomnia particularly back in  
>>>>>>>> 2020
>>>>>>>> ('A
>>>>>>>> Radical Solution To Insomnia - The CURE!") because one observed
>>>>>>>> cause
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> insomnia in younger people is their normal unconscious  
>>>>>>>> sleep-routine
>>>>>>>> becoming damaged in some manner, i.e., they somehow lose the
>>>>>>>> automatic +
>>>>>>>> unconscious part of the routine that usually pulls people 'into'
>>>>>>>> sleep
>>>>>>>> without them realising it, and this can be corrected via learning  
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> WILD,
>>>>>>>> which is nothing less than the finding of that unconscious on/off
>>>>>>>> switch
>>>>>>>> and being able to deliberately flip it one way or the other;  
>>>>>>>> either
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> lucid dream with or to sleep as usual, the 'unconscious' side of  
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> removed!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A Radical Solution To Insomnia - The CURE!
>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDwYFfI4G_A
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> check it out... if nothing else you might get a few lucid dreams  
>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> it, which, believe me, is a very interesting/intriguing thing to  
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> able
>>>>>>>> to do... especially if one has a methodical kinda mind that likes  
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> explore/probe every aspect of things; there being another whole  
>>>>>>>> side
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> our nature apparently - a whole third of our lives - that  
>>>>>>>> otherwise
>>>>>>>> remains unexplored by dint of our being completely unconscious to
>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>> happens during it...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and happy new year to ya sport :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a lot of dreams etc.  I don't see anything mystical there  
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> some are realistic enough for my tastes, believe me.  They aren't  
>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>> pleasant and I'm glad to waken sometimes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ### - our ordinary unconscious random dreams are handled in an  
>>>>>> equally
>>>>>> unconscious manner and it's all left to run on some kind of routine
>>>>>> autopilot, which occasionally goes awry and we experience
>>>>>> uncomfortable
>>>>>> dreams or nightmares; our emotional reactions during these dreams
>>>>>> affecting and even dictating the course of the dreams, especially  
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> scary ones haha...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> if one is fully aware it's all going-on, however, it's a completely
>>>>>> different ball game and one can thus get to play around inside one's
>>>>>> own
>>>>>> subconscious mind in a completely detached manner and the facility  
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> someone having a photographic memory, there being nada 'mystical'
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> except from what people have erroneously ascribed to it down the  
>>>>>> ages;
>>>>>> various religions & cults getting hold of the concept and turning it
>>>>>> all
>>>>>> into something befitting their whatever-narratives at the time...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> remove all that pure 'conjecture' from it though and what's left is  
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> purely practical affair, one in which it's revealed there's quite a
>>>>>> bit
>>>>>> more to our awareness, and what we can do with it, than perhaps
>>>>>> initially
>>>>>> meets the eye, various historical accidents - valuable breakthrough
>>>>>> formulas accidentally learned/stumbled-upon in dreams - giving us
>>>>>> various
>>>>>> clues about its possible useful application if we can ever learn to
>>>>>> control it and use it wisely...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the 'problem' with it all being that the things it tends to suggest  
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> 'activities' doesn't jibe with the way we go about things in the
>>>>>> waking
>>>>>> world, and is in fact suggestive of there being an entirely  
>>>>>> different,
>>>>>> perhaps even conflicting philosophy to the one we more usually
>>>>>> identify
>>>>>> with...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> this last perhaps being the root cause of various alternate cults &
>>>>>> religions formed around it in various attempts to explain its
>>>>>> alternate
>>>>>> origins and purpose; people's propensity for religious thinking  
>>>>>> often
>>>>>> turning the ability into yet just another religion...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i also made this short video re using/applying this ability of ours
>>>>>> perhaps more practically; as a tool we could learn to use that
>>>>>> advances
>>>>>> learning, there apparently being no limit as to how far one can go
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> as absolutely everybody has a subconscious mind that's literally
>>>>>> stuffed
>>>>>> to the gills with unremembered, unconnected information...  
>>>>>> everything
>>>>>> we've ever seen, heard, felt, thought about and/or overheard, all
>>>>>> neatly
>>>>>> filed away and forgotten about but still accessible... the otherwise
>>>>>> routine unconscious selection and cherry-picking of which is  
>>>>>> entirely
>>>>>> dictated by lifestyle, need and the times we live in... the only
>>>>>> exception
>>>>>> to this that we're aware of, being how a hypnotist can somehow guide
>>>>>> people to specific memories as though they were actually there
>>>>>> reliving
>>>>>> them, WILDing being literally this same ability albeit you yourself
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> consciously guiding/directing it all instead...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 'The Making Of Genius'
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6soLcW1hxcQ
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Turning back to medical grass.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I spent 20 minutes online with a Nurse Practitioner (a RN who can
>>>>>>> prescribe) describing my occasional insomnia (wake for a piss at
>>>>>>> 0200,
>>>>>>> can't get back to sleep for 3 hours or so) and my attempts to use  
>>>>>>> MJ
>>>>>>> for sleeping purposes (for the last 55 years actually).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> She passed me as I had been prescribed temazepan but I do not like
>>>>>>> taking pills of any kind and they make me groggy next day.  She
>>>>>>> prescribed 30g (1 oz) of indica (not sativa) with less than 1% CBD
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> at least 27% THC (the buzz), three different types, all imported  
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> Canada, grown in greenhouses not fucking hydro, no contaminants,
>>>>>>> government control etc and I've ordered, paid and received the
>>>>>>> excellent buds in a proper tub with my prescription on it and the
>>>>>>> words "Controlled Drug" all over it.  I can take it on planes, in  
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> car, and it's fucking STRONG - way stronger than the sativa I've  
>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>> smoking all these years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just looked at https://curaleafclinic.com,  https://releaf.co.uk  
>>>>>>> ,
>>>>>>> https://www.alternaleaf.co.uk  and they all operate much the same  
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> here in Australia.  Alternaleaf is one of the largest in Australia
>>>>>>> actually, but I went with easykind here - 5 minute questionnaire
>>>>>>> online, book appointment with their GP or NP, 20 minutes of fairly
>>>>>>> gentle questions, prescription, wait a few days, online portal
>>>>>>> available, order, pay online and delivered to the front door (in my
>>>>>>> case from Melbourne, 4000km away) in 2 days.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Give it a belt pal.  You won't regret it.  If that is, you have
>>>>>>> insomnia or something similar and you've seen a quack about it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My script is for 1 gram per day.  30g per month.  That's a lot of
>>>>>>> high
>>>>>>> quality shit.  Costing around $280 AUD per 30g.  No more dealers  
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers, have a great New Year.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ### - i hear you :) and have seen the adverts for these various
>>>>>> companies
>>>>>> online, the whole thing being a ruse to gradually sneak weed usage
>>>>>> into
>>>>>> society by the backdoor until it's eventually legalised en-mass,  
>>>>>> what
>>>>>> they're scared of being a kind of hippy-rebirth, weed/smoke use  
>>>>>> giving
>>>>>> rise to yet another alternate philosophy that, just like lucid
>>>>>> dreaming,
>>>>>> doesn't quite jibe with the way society's currently organised... it
>>>>>> is,
>>>>>> however, a promising new industry with the potential to earn  
>>>>>> billions!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> they want/need the money! so all we really gots to do is to live  
>>>>>> long
>>>>>> enough to see it legalised for recreational use, it's just annoying
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> everything takes so long, have been waiting 30+ years haha ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> Look I'm not a kid anymore.  I barely remember my youth.  I'm happy  
>>>>> to
>>>>> have a pipe, and not much more than a puff or two, at night.  I
>>>>> couldn't imagine being stoned on grass all the time, nothing would be
>>>>> worse now at my age.  Also, too much water under the bridge which
>>>>> doesn't lead to a real carefree existence all the time, some of the
>>>>> time yes, but not all the time.  Stoned on weed is good when the
>>>>> mental burden is light, not when it's heavy.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, to me there isn't any difference now between legal recreational
>>>>> weed and medical weed - it's the same weed, imported from all over  
>>>>> the
>>>>> world, not much grown here in Australia, high THC if you want it, not
>>>>> much on the expenditure side either.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've slowed down a lot as I got old(er).  Still sharp but far more
>>>>> serious about things.  No longer the 1973 hippy with the mushroom
>>>>> jeans on tripping on acid and smoking a lot of pot.
>>>>
>>>> ### - was only being kinda sarcastic re waiting until it's legalised
>>>> etc,
>>>> they've been talking about that nearly forever here in the uk, ever
>>>> since
>>>> it was banned in fact back in 1947 or thereabouts, the uk being one of
>>>> the
>>>> last to make it illegal and only under protest at the time seeing as
>>>> they'd virtually raised a whole empire off the profits of
>>>> importing/exporting dope worldwide (cough-cough, sorry i meant  
>>>> 'spices',
>>>> riiight...) ;)
>>>>
>>>> otherwise you and i are very different then in that respect, because  
>>>> for
>>>> someone you accused of knowing nada about it altogether i've actually
>>>> smoked it near enough every single day since age 17 or thereabouts  
>>>> after
>>>> being introduced to it at college heh (how that happened actually  
>>>> being
>>>> a
>>>> great story just in itself, one perhaps for another day...) the only 3
>>>> items i genuinely took away from college being weed, lsd & my first  
>>>> real
>>>> girlfriend lol, a year after which i dropped-out altogether and which  
>>>> i
>>>> considered was plenty enough education for moi, the rest was rubbish  
>>>> ;)
>>>>
>>>> and whereas you kinda look down on weed and from what you say above:
>>>> don't
>>>> think that much of it etc, i'm completely the opposite and see it as
>>>> having been instrumental in shaping not only my whole outlook but also
>>>> my
>>>> later education to a higher degree... kind of like a tv interview i  
>>>> saw
>>>> years ago about our controversial channel-4 sending one of their  
>>>> indian
>>>> reporters to the indian mela festival, something that takes place  
>>>> every
>>>> year in india and then you see all these holy men covered in grey  
>>>> ashes
>>>> traveling to it from right across india and beyond, every 33 years  
>>>> being
>>>> some kind of special super-mela event having some kind of astrological
>>>> significance to it, the same 33-year event the buddha is reputed to  
>>>> have
>>>> attended back in his day and apparently caused quite a stir...
>>>>
>>>> so anyway, they packed this young naive uk-indian guy off to the mela  
>>>> to
>>>> go see/report what it's all about, 100's of 1000's of these holy men
>>>> descending/converging on the place like the muslims do at mecca only
>>>> bigger! and this young indian reporter dressed in a dark 3-piece suit
>>>> lol
>>>> and his big channel-4 microphone, is going around asking all these  
>>>> holy
>>>> men questions about what it's all about and why it's happening + what  
>>>> it
>>>> all means etc etc etc... and at one point asks this typical looking  
>>>> dude
>>>> he was interviewing why he was smoking hashish so heavily (everyone in
>>>> the
>>>> tent is literally chuffing-away on chillums and pipes and stuff like
>>>> there's no tomorrow lol) and doesn't all that drug-taking interfere
>>>> with/contradict all his holy man spiritual practices??
>>>>
>>>> and this holy-man dude pauses mid-puff in a cloud of thick smoke,  
>>>> looks
>>>> up
>>>> surprised at this reporter, a look of humorous scorn clearly crossing
>>>> his
>>>> face for a moment and almost rolling his eyes, replies: my young man,
>>>> don't be so stupid, don't you 'realise' it was smoking hashish that
>>>> turned
>>>> me INTO a holy man in the first place??? you should try it!
>>>>
>>>> and then he went back to honking heavily on his chillum ahahaha... our
>>>> young reporter looking clearly dazed/shocked, not only from that guy's
>>>> rather surprising remarks but prolly also from all the thick fumes lol
>>>> :)))
>>>>
>>>> get it?
>>>>
>>>> that for 'some' people it's a total lifestyle, one that may or may not
>>>> eventually turn ya's into some kinda holy man hehehe...
>>>>
>>>> go figure ;)
>>>
>>> Smoking pot is so mundane now for me that I need a reason, not just
>>> get stoned, but something along the lines of better sleep, or
>>> elucidation of rational thinking, deeper enjoyment of music, better
>>> enjoyment and appreciation of nature - colour, form, evolution etc;
>>> pondering beginnings, endings, time, space, metaphysics...and so on.
>>>
>>> Or, very very occasionally, just get drunk and stoned and fuck myself
>>> up (within the bounds of a 70 year old body) with music until I totter
>>> off to bed.
>>>
>>> It's just...mundane.  The thrill of illegality is gone, partly due to
>>> age partly due to ease of legal acquisition.  The effect is well
>>> known, nothing new there experientially.  So, it's just a herb with
>>> interesting effects.
>>>
>>> There is no way on this planet I would adopt it now, or even 50 years
>>> ago, as a "total lifestyle".  That's for some people as you say but
>>> not for me.  But as a permanent part of MY lifestyle, it's there to
>>> stay.
>>>
>>> In a nutshell, I find it enjoyable and I've been smoking it since I
>>> was 16.  It's still mundane though.
>>
>> ### - think of people like Howard Marks (Mr Nice) whose whole life
>> revolved around it, the uk's most notorious dealer, who ended-up having  
>> a
>> very different kinda outlook on life & living in general, ditto a whole
>> heap of other characters whose involvement (with drugs) led them down a
>> very different road of life-appreciation and style, the holy men of  
>> india
>> being the original hippies in that sense, only it's all about
>> self-development & spiritual advancement with those guys ("it was  
>> hashish
>> that turned me INTO a holy man" etc) it's influence on western people &
>> thinking being undoubtedly the same, and the next thing ya know young
>> people are rejecting the establishment (the squares heh) en-mass and
>> setting-up their own, very much more relaxed, lifestyle altogether...
>>
>> and there in a nutshell is its effect upon people: it changed their  
>> whole
>> outlook on life, broadened it, gave them a deeper appreciation of it...
>> society was altered, even the music changed from things like perry  
>> fucking
>> como to pink floyd haha, it was different, some say much better, more  
>> open
>> and less insular, and a direct challenge to society... the squares
>> fought-back of course, tried to quash/contain it, but a whole generation
>> grew up more or less under it's influence, a generation of very  
>> different
>> thinking people, ideas like 'make love not war' and 'free love' entered
>> western thought, the poets, writers and artists coming out of that
>> generation affecting the whole world!
>>
>> i've known dealers whose whole life revolved around it! :)
>>
>> memes like: "dope will get you through times of no money better than  
>> money
>> will get you through times of no dope", basically saying it all...
>>
>> mundane otoh, is square-business... wearing a suit and tie is mundane,
>> working 9 to 5 is mundane, a life of working like a mule and nothing to
>> show for it, is mundane... a low order of education and ideation is
>> mundane... and drug-use altered all that, writers like jack kerouac ('On
>> the Road') being typical of its influence... so no, it's not mundane,  
>> and
>> if it seems that way to you then you haven't been using it correctly...
>> or, being a born outsider, it doesn't affect you in quite the same way
>> (i.e., being 'out' is no revelation to you because you're already out
>> kinda thing)
>
> When I did my degree so many years ago now, I took an elective in
> second year which was two semesters (units) for a full year -
> Organisation Theory and Organisation Business Management.  Both of
> them referred to a thing called Maslow's Heirarchy of Needs.
>
> It is globally famous - https://www.simplypsychology.org/maslow.html
>
> At the bottom, fundamentally, is the need for food, shelter, sleep,
> and so on - basics for survival.  The working man works to buy or rent
> shelter, to buy food, to have a place to sleep uninterrrupted and so
> on.  These are the needs of survival.  So, while working 9/5 may be
> mundane, it's far more crucial than smoking pot or dropping acid. When
> the bottom tier is satisfied, then one progresses to the next.
> Society, health, and so on, still mundane but again, necessary.
>
> Pot, mushrooms, acid, booze, ciggies, name the drug, they all slot in
> around the self actualisation level or slightly below.  They are WANTS
> not NEEDS.  I find many of them mundane.  I'm jaded after a long life
> of doing this shit for giggles and fun. Self actualisation for me,
> now, is through self education on the big questions - autodidactic,
> all the way down.
>
> Cheers.

### - i hear you for sure...

interestingly enough it was the opposite for moi; even as a kid of 17 or  
18 that hadn't acquired much of an education yet, weed always gave me  
seemingly profound insights into ideas and things, the deeper meaning of  
things i read kinda jumped out at me, music seemed incredible, even my  
crappy songs (and ideas for songs) seemed somehow altered/enhanced under  
its influence, this later also applying to my studies, with seemingly  
profound insights turning into profound experiences; i thus found myself  
going off down a completely different road to that of my peers, a road  
less traveled by... they were all into getting good jobs and money and  
stuff, i was into literature, history & philosophy, meditation too, and  
comparative religious studies (i looked at all the religions, including  
the occult & mysticism etc; if there was anything to know i wanted to know  
it!)

school being an absolute bore and not wanting to end-up as just another  
stuffed shirt, i avoided the academic/formal route and went with the  
flow... the buddhists seemed to have gotten it right the most; it really  
was all about self-development and growth, of fitting 'oneself' to travel  
the road of life, all the best writers & artists attested it was so, the  
'Poet' being (or representing then) the best of men, the most advanced  
among them, the western equivalent of an enlightened man in buddhist  
terms...

in that sense i never did/took things for kicks except perhaps initially  
in order to try it, it was always more for the temporary slant on life  
they afforded at the time, for the sometimes profound change in perception  
and perspective, lsd being the kicker in that i'd never ever realised  
things could be THAT different?? fuck me! often with disturbing insights  
galore! lsd & mushrooms being a little too much for me personally i didn't  
do that much of them, you had to treat that shit with respect lol or risk  
madness, ditto speed and other pills and stuff (have tried/enjoyed  
basically everything otherwise) it being only weed am at all interested in  
anymore these days: a nice smoke, a pleasant feeling of contentment, an  
open mind and a wealth of full and lasting experiences to look back on,  
at, and hopefully forward to...

it's been an interesting life so far even if the conditions are bit  
primitive/shit, the suffering they allow/encourage/disregard on this  
planet is utterly disgraceful, and embarrassing!

as such am ashamed of 'em, am ashamed of the human race while at the same  
time admiring their ability to very occasionally beat the stupendous odds  
arrayed against them, and become survivors ;)